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Dutch Uncle said:
Trump claims there was political lawfare as an excuse to use it himself. Now he's appointed a cabinet to weaponize justice and hunt down anyone who opposed him.
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The James lawsuit, in particular, was and is a perfect example of lawfare.

James ran on a platform of getting Trump. The lawsuit she brought was a civil one in which there was no victim(s). Without anyone being at a financial loss in a civil suit, you have NOTHING. To recover damages there must be a demonstrable loss on the part of some party. The state lost nothing, so who is receiving the nearly half-a-billon dollars that was assigned as the judgement?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The James lawsuit, in particular, was and is a perfect example of lawfare.

James ran on a platform of getting Trump. The lawsuit she brought was a civil one in which there was no victim(s). Without anyone being at a financial loss in a civil suit, you have NOTHING. To recover damages there must be a demonstrable loss on the part of some party. The state lost nothing, so who is receiving the nearly half-a-billon dollars that was assigned as the judgement?
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It's probably going back to Trump, tbh.
James is in a bad way.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The James lawsuit, in particular, was and is a perfect example of lawfare.

James ran on a platform of getting Trump. The lawsuit she brought was a civil one in which there was no victim(s). Without anyone being at a financial loss in a civil suit, you have NOTHING. To recover damages there must be a demonstrable loss on the part of some party. The state lost nothing, so who is receiving the nearly half-a-billon dollars that was assigned as the judgement?
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Is prostitution a victimless crime? Bribery? Shooting up heroin? Do you think only crimes with victims should be prosecuted? As a Libertarian, if you did, I'd agree with you.

OTOH, unlike you, I also believe in State's rights. Trump, et al, committed a crime in NY and the NY AG not only prosecuted them for it, but won both in court and all the way up to the NY Supreme Court. Why do you blame Biden for this?

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Attorney General James Wins Landmark Victory in Case Against Donald Trump

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled
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Dutch Uncle said:
Is prostitution a victimless crime? Bribery? Shooting up heroin? Do you think only crimes with victims should be prosecuted? As a Libertarian, if you did, I'd agree with you.

OTOH, unlike you, I also believe in State's rights. Trump, et al, committed a crime in NY and the NY AG not only prosecuted them for it, but won both in court and all the way up to the NY Supreme Court. Why do you blame Biden for this?

ag.ny.gov

Attorney General James Wins Landmark Victory in Case Against Donald Trump

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled
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In a CIVIL SUIT, what James brought, not a criminal suit, there has to be an identified loss to a party involved that hasn't been indemnified (eg., made whole) otherwise. In James' suit, no such party existed. The government wasn't involved in the transactions or loans. The banks testified that they were made whole, and the loans Trump took out were paid in full.

If Trump committed a crime in that, why wasn't that charged against him? That's the problem with Bragg's case. Both he and the judge argued that it doesn't matter if Trump was convicted of an underlying crime or not, so long as in the jury's minds he committed one. That is, they argued it was sufficient that Trump committed a 'thought crime' that in turn justified the felony charges brought against him.

As for this bullshit, "...NY AG not only prosecuted them for it, but won both in court and all the way up to the NY Supreme Court." Neither of Trump's cases that had judgements against him have even gone to appellate court trial, let alone to the state Supreme Court. So, that's just bullshit on your part. My bet is both will be overturned completely on appeal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
In a CIVIL SUIT, what James brought, not a criminal suit, there has to be an identified loss to a party involved that hasn't been indemnified (eg., made whole) otherwise. In James' suit, no such party existed. The government wasn't involved in the transactions or loans. The banks testified that they were made whole, and the loans Trump took out were paid in full.

If Trump committed a crime in that, why wasn't that charged against him? That's the problem with Bragg's case. Both he and the judge argued that it doesn't matter if Trump was convicted of an underlying crime or not, so long as in the jury's minds he committed one. That is, they argued it was sufficient that Trump committed a 'thought crime' that in turn justified the felony charges brought against him.

As for this bullshit, "...NY AG not only prosecuted them for it, but won both in court and all the way up to the NY Supreme Court." Neither of Trump's cases that had judgements against him have even gone to appellate court trial, let alone to the state Supreme Court. So, that's just bullshit on your part. My bet is both will be overturned completely on appeal.
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I'm not a lawyer but respect the system. There was a trial, a conviction, appeals all the way to the NY SC.

Okay, a civil suit. Again, I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one online. YMMV.

Sad that you ignore the facts, the provided link and pledge fealty to Trump regardless of his actions.

ag.ny.gov

Attorney General James Wins Landmark Victory in Case Against Donald Trump

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled
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– New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled in her favor in her office’s civil fraud case against Donald Trump, the other individual defendants, and the Trump Organization entities, ordering the defendants to pay more than $450 million in total, which represents $363.8 million in disgorgement and pre-judgment interest:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I'm not a lawyer but respect the system. There was a trial, a conviction, appeals all the way to the NY SC.

Okay, a civil suit. Again, I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one online. YMMV.

Sad that you ignore the facts, the provided link and pledge fealty to Trump regardless of his actions.

ag.ny.gov

Attorney General James Wins Landmark Victory in Case Against Donald Trump

NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled
ag.ny.gov ag.ny.gov
– New York Attorney General Letitia James today released the following statement after Justice Arthur F. Engoron of New York State Supreme Court ruled in her favor in her office’s civil fraud case against Donald Trump, the other individual defendants, and the Trump Organization entities, ordering the defendants to pay more than $450 million in total, which represents $363.8 million in disgorgement and pre-judgment interest:
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He is a judge on that court, but that wasn't the court in which the trial was held. It also isn't as if this is the first time Engoron has made egregious mistakes in high stakes real estate trials. There have been at least two previous cases where his rulings were overturned. Given the lack of a victim, it's likely Trump's case will be overturned too.

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Donald Trump fraud ruling could be reversed, appeals court indicates

One judge said he found the $489 million case "troubling."
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Appeals court thinks Donald Trump fraud ruling has "real problems"—Attorney

Jonathan Turley says the appeals court reviewing Donald Trump's civil fraud case believes the ruling has some "real problems."
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In preliminary hearings, the judges (note the plural) in NY's appellate court have all shown serious skepticism about the verdict Engoron handed down, from the amount awarded, to the lack of a victim, to how Engoron came to appraisal values. It's highly likely the case will be tossed out completely.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
He is a judge on that court, but that wasn't the court in which the trial was held. It also isn't as if this is the first time Engoron has made egregious mistakes in high stakes real estate trials. There have been at least two previous cases where his rulings were overturned. Given the lack of a victim, it's likely Trump's case will be overturned too.

www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump fraud ruling could be reversed, appeals court indicates

One judge said he found the $489 million case "troubling."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

www.newsweek.com

Appeals court thinks Donald Trump fraud ruling has "real problems"—Attorney

Jonathan Turley says the appeals court reviewing Donald Trump's civil fraud case believes the ruling has some "real problems."
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

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In preliminary hearings, the judges (note the plural) in NY's appellate court have all shown serious skepticism about the verdict Engoron handed down, from the amount awarded, to the lack of a victim, to how Engoron came to appraisal values. It's highly likely the case will be tossed out completely.
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Trump's army of lawyers are free to appeal.

I fail to see why this is Biden's fault or justifies Trump weaponizing the US DOJ.
 
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