Presidential Predictions

reason10 said:
You couldn't kick a crack habit, BITCH. And you're taking quite a chance issuing threats in this environment. Let me advise you and any other dumbass punks here who have more guts than brains: Sometimes the genie gets out of the bottle. Sometimes you'll run into a retard who is dumber than you (I realize that's quite a stretch) who might have a way to get to your true identity. Years ago, I had one poster (liberal, idiot, just like you) publish my home address in the forum and threaten to come to my job to harass me. So don't think you're totally safe just because you can sit back in your underwear and go all Walter Mitty on everyone.

If you can't have a regular adult conversation, then fuck off. I don't have time for your bullshit. And I'm not buying that bullshit about your being rich because frankly unless you are a meth dealer, YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO BE RICH.
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I never start with bullies like you
I finish them gramps
 
DigitalDave said:
I'm fairly certain Bernie has a much larger Independent backing than any candidate either party is offering, and that WILL matter in the general.
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There are five independents in the country. PERIOD.

Mitt Romney OWNED the independents. A lot of good it did him.

Bernie's a lunatic. Just today that idiot proposed spending a TRILLION taxpayer dollars in order to rebuild the country's infrastructure, and this is after seven years of Obama spending TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS on alleged infrastructure and not ONE shovel was lifted.

You REALLY think anyone is going to believe this nutjob?
 
The Dude said:
I never start with bullies like you
I finish them gramps
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Excuse me, PUNK, but I'm not the one making threats here.

And I'm not a grandfather, (although I'm probably old enough to be one.)

I'm definitely not YOUR grandfather. The thought of one of my kids giving birth to YOUR dumb uneducated ass would actually make me support Roe V. Wade, BITCH.

You couldn't finish a Snickers, bitch.
 
reason10 said:
Excuse me, PUNK, but I'm not the one making threats here.

And I'm not a grandfather, (although I'm probably old enough to be one.)

I'm definitely not YOUR grandfather. The thought of one of my kids giving birth to YOUR dumb uneducated ass would actually make me support Roe V. Wade, BITCH.

You couldn't finish a Snickers, bitch.
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You are an old clown
And retarded on economics
And you cheat the klan out of their dues
Thief
 
reason10 said:
There are five independents in the country. PERIOD.

Mitt Romney OWNED the independents. A lot of good it did him.

Bernie's a lunatic. Just today that idiot proposed spending a TRILLION taxpayer dollars in order to rebuild the country's infrastructure, and this is after seven years of Obama spending TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS on alleged infrastructure and not ONE shovel was lifted.

You REALLY think anyone is going to believe this nutjob?
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Morons believe trump, so I'm pretty certain someone with a pretty good track record on most issues and hasn't swayed much over the years is more likely to be believed. What kind of question is that? Lol
 
DigitalDave said:
I'm fairly certain Bernie has a much larger Independent backing than any candidate either party is offering, and that WILL matter in the general.
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While Bernie has fringe left in tow it's Trump holding the Lions share of the far larger mushy middle. This is why dem voting is down while rep is way up. That hurts hrc who has managed to alienate the middle.
 
cawacko said:
What's up DD. I offer a liberal buddy's response regarding Bernie for why he can't win a national election.


""He's a blank canvas that the GOP and their allies will paint with a devastating brush. I'll give you a perfect example. He wants to get rid of private insurers so that means that a lot of people who work for those companies will lose their jobs. Same for the big banks he wants to break up, Same for the fossil fuel industry he wants to bottle up. The list goes on and on, but that's because Bernie has basically said he has a problem with capitalism so he doesn't understand the job market. Those businesses will have no choice but to pour money into a negative advertising campaign of epic proportions. When the scare tactics about job losses are unleashed Bernie will be in trouble, especially since most careful analysis of his plans show that the numbers don't add up. Which means the government will only grow larger and taxes will go up even further.""
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Uhhh well that's what they've been doing to the Donald and how's that been working for them?

The conventional wisdom is that if Sanders wins the nomination it would lock a GOP victory. That's easily debunked by the polling data that clearly shows he would defeat either Trump or Cruz but would trail an establishment candidate though not by much as the polling difference are within or close to the margin of error. So the conventional wisdom is largely the insular chamber of commerce types telling themselves what they want to hear than actually analyzing the data. America actually could be ready for a throw back to a social welfare state liberal. I myself am not ready to vote for one though Bernie in no small measure is tapping into the same pool of angry pissed off Americans that Trump is.

My prediction is based on State level polling and the odds given by sports betting and business election speculators. They have Hillary at 4 to 1 odds to win the Democratic nomination and Trump at 2 to 1 odds of winning the GOP nomination and are giving Hillary 3 to 1 odds to win the general election.

I'm going with that as the "odds makers" have been quite a bit more accurate at predicting nomination and general election winners than the polls have.

So my prediction is Hillary wins the Dem nomination, Trump the GOP and Hillary will win the general.
 
DigitalDave said:
I'm fairly certain Bernie has a much larger Independent backing than any candidate either party is offering, and that WILL matter in the general.
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That may be wishful thinking. I mean, who knows? Maybe after 30 years of supply side economics in which virtually all of our nations productivity gains have gone into the pockets of the top 0.1% who have done very, very, very little to support their own nation a throw back to a social welfare state liberal is what this nation may need or want for a short period of time.

Then again maybe Trump is another Sulla. For those who are not history buffs. Sulla was an ancient Roman dictator of the late Republican era. He was the first Roman general to march his troops on Rome in response to a political attack. When Sulla attained absolute control of Rome's government as the Dictator he began proscribing wealthy merchants and bankers or the equestrian (Knight) order. Many were executed and their properties and wealth confiscated by the State.

Why did Sulla do this? Because Rome had been engaged in a series of civil wars while simultaneously being attacked by foreign enemies. Sulla was charged by the Roman Senate with fighting a foreign war against Mithridates the Great of Pontus. Mithridates had enormous wealth and a vast army of over a quarter of a million men. Sulla had an army composed of 4 legions (~ 25,000 men) and enough gold to sustain that army for a month. Not only did Sulla these horrendous disadvantages but while he was actively engaged with the enemy certain Romans continued the civil strife in Rome to where the Senate tried to undermine Sulla's (a legitimately elected pro-consul) command. Despite these disadvantages Sulla won and won decisively.

When Sulla returned to Rome with his victorious army he found Rome in ruins. His political opponents had stolen the funds in the treasury and used it for their own political purposes. So while Rome was at war at home and abroad it was being torn apart by factions who were financially and politically supported by the leading members of the Equestrian order. These wealthy bankers and merchants had essentially financed Romes civil unrest and financed the obstacles Sulla faced in combating Mithridates of Pontus while living in their plush villas distanced from the chaos, war and economic collapse and suffering of the people they had willingly financed.

When Sulla, an arch conservative, became dictator he called the leading members of the Equestrian order to account and many, if not most of them, paid with their lives and all their property which Sulla then used to restore order and economic prosperity to Rome. This caught the members of the Equestrian Order almost completely with their pants down. They figured that any such form of retribution would come from the populares factions and not from a leader as intensely conservative as Sulla was.

Anyway the relevance of this bit of ancient history to today is that maybe Trump is a modern day Sulla who would bring the corporate and wealthy elites to account for accumulating vast wealth while their nation flounders and doing nothing for their nation as it floundered and often was the agent of that floundering, as the Equestrian Order did in Rome during the social wars.
 
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