Private equity: Hike taxes and we may not play

Well...

Just import the slaves ?

BB who is MM's poppa ? Sorry but I don't keep up with that enquiristic angle of stuff.



I suppose it would be the real actor in the family! one with talent such as the one who did "Ben Hur" and I am not referring to Charlton Heston...Try another famous actor of this time...wiith a similar topic in a movie format of this type...Spartacus ring a bell???
 
I suppose it would be the real actor in the family! one with talent such as the one who did "Ben Hur" and I am not referring to Charlton Heston...Try another famous actor of this time...wiith a similar topic in a movie format of this type...Sparticus ring a bell???

No I was not into gladiator movies and do not like it when my dog hunches on my leg. what movie was that ?

lets just have a metaphor board. only talk in meatphors.

for example the one from Japan. "do a bush" ?
 
I put the link
How bout Danny Diveto in Other Peoples money

I'm killingmyself in 5 minutes cause I agree with azzhat on the slave labor issue and I also agree with taxing the hedgefundies top 2% guys
where's my gun, Oh I don't believe in guns
 
It's about quality not quantity for me.
And it's so happens I've got my luck and a couple other guys luck.
 
I put the link
How bout Danny Diveto in Other Peoples money

I'm killingmyself in 5 minutes cause I agree with azzhat on the slave labor issue and I also agree with taxing the hedgefundies top 2% guys
where's my gun, Oh I don't believe in guns

hedgefunds seem to be "shooting themselves in the foot" lately.
they will probably want a "silverado" soon.
 
Lol...

No I was not into gladiator movies and do not like it when my dog hunches on my leg. what movie was that ?

lets just have a metaphor board. only talk in meatphors.

for example the one from Japan. "do a bush" ?




So the warrior is into comedy....I know the movie..but please tell us all...something about a cop with a perverted dog...freudian slip here USC!
 
ahh one of my favorite actors lines BB.
warrior ? not me I am pretty much a pacifist unless you get me riled, which takes a lot now as I got older. That is why nam was so hard on me....
 
No I was not into gladiator movies and do not like it when my dog hunches on my leg. what movie was that ?

lets just have a metaphor board. only talk in meatphors.

for example the one from Japan. "do a bush" ?

Kirk Douglas man. Even I know that, and he's more of your generation. ;)
 
Private equity: Hike taxes and we may not play
That's one consequence some alternative-investment managers anticipate if lawmakers raise the tax rate on their income from profits.
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer
July 11 2007: 5:02 PM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- What happens when you boost taxes on high-income folks who manage $2 trillion that is integral to capital markets and spurs innovation, creating the Googles and Genentechs of the world?

To hear them tell it, nothing good.
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Private equity firms are all the rage, and growing in size and number. But what exactly do they do, and why has there been such an increase in their numbers? Fortune's Rik Kirkland explains.
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A Senate Finance Committee hearing on Wednesday considered the question of whether private equity and hedge fund managers are taxed enough when they're paid "carried interest" and the subsequent consequences if it was taxed more.

Carried interest is the managers' share of a fund's profits. Even though managers don't necessarily invest any of their own money in a fund, their carried interest is taxed as a capital gain at 15 percent instead of at ordinary income rates that can run as high as 35 percent.

Key House Democratic lawmakers contend that managers are providing a service for a fee, and they've proposed doubling the tax on the manager's carried interest by treating it as ordinary income.

At issue during the hearing Wednesday was when labor is like capital and worthy of being taxed as such, and whether a tax increase stifles innovation and economic activity.

Those in private equity contend that while they may not invest much, if any of their own money, they provide industry and business expertise, hands-on management, connections and their reputations to the companies their funds buy, often for long periods of time.

In the case of venture capitalists, they help the person or venture working on the "next big thing" commercialize their efforts. "Our objective is to get the engineer out of Cisco and into the garage to create the next Cisco," Kate Mitchell, managing director of Scale Venture Partners, told lawmakers in her testimony.

What's more, the managers contend, carried interest as a source of income is uneven at best, both because a lot of investments may not turn a profit and even when they do, there are provisions that can prohibit the manager from collecting if they don't meet certain thresholds.

According to Mitchell, 40 percent of venture capital investments lose money, another 40 percent do little more than break-even and only 20 percent are big successes. "We dig many dry wells," she said.

Mitchell likened carried interest to stock received by the founder of a company who puts in years of sweat equity and when he sells his stock, his gains are treated as capital gains.
Fortune: Private equity power list

Raise the tax on carried interest, and you could see a loss of talent in the industry. "We'll be much less incentivized to invest," she said, noting that jobs with steady incomes or less risky investments requiring less commitment will draw them away.

That, she suggested, could dampen innovation since talented venture capitalists are needed to identify the most promising new companies, which in turn, create jobs. Companies backed by venture capital since 1970 accounted for 10.4 million jobs and $2.3 trillion in revenue in 2006, Mitchell told lawmakers.

Peter Orszag, director of the Congressional Budget Office, noted during the hearing however, that there are plenty of other examples of performance-based fees that are taxed as ordinary income and have not had the effect of drying up the talent well.

Among them are fees paid to actors when their movies do well, performance bonuses, many stock options and fees paid to asset investment managers who are not designated as "partners" to their clients.
Regulators: No fallout from hedge fund meltdown on subprimes

Other critics of a higher rate contend that taxing managers more could inhibit the flow of capital to U.S.-based private equity and hedge funds.

But Orszag told lawmakers that that's not likely for two reasons: a) the limited partners' gains would still be taxed as capital gains and they're the ones putting in the money; and b) in cases where the limited partner is a taxable entity, the treatment of a manager's carried interest as ordinary income can result in a valuable deduction to the limited partners. "If anything, it could encourage more capital flow," he said.

Mitchell disagreed. While there may be plenty of capital around to invest, she said, fewer managers will be willing to put it to work, since the nature of their work is "cyclical, high-risk and long-term," and a number of other countries are actively trying to attract venture capital.

In her written testimony she noted, "(T)hese foreign economies would be all too happy to grab the brass ring from the United States. The game is ours to lose." Top of page


I got bored after the first paragraph
 
I did not read it in detail either, but listened to them talk about it on PBS.

I see it as blackmail.

It's poopaganda straight out of Atlas Shrugged. Kiss our asses, or we'll walk away. They ain't walking anywhere for as long as they're making money, even if their take ends up being a little less.
 
It's poopaganda straight out of Atlas Shrugged. Kiss our asses, or we'll walk away. They ain't walking anywhere for as long as they're making money, even if their take ends up being a little less.

right we just need to stay reasonable on our tax ratres compared to the other developed country. I don't think they would like playing with the possibility that some foreign govt would at some point just sieze their assets.

those guys think it is a major sin to have money just sitting around not making more money.

We had good growth and investment when the tax rates were higher on them.
Lets just call them economic terrorists and seize their assets.
 
US, you're such an idiot it really amazes me. We'd be a third world fascist dictatorship within a year of your ass having any sort of real power in the government. "Seize assets"? You're not a liberal; don't slander the name.
 
US, you're such an idiot it really amazes me. We'd be a third world fascist dictatorship within a year of your ass having any sort of real power in the government. "Seize assets"? You're not a liberal; don't slander the name.

Yeah, that is a pretty frightening thought. Even I agree with you on your last sentence.
 
Obviously, usc was making a joke there about asset seizure. "economic terrorists" See?

You know, I discovered this yesterday:

ST. LOUIS — It's no laughing matter: a new study suggests older adults have a harder time getting jokes as they age. The research indicates that because older adults may have greater difficulty with cognitive flexibility, abstract reasoning and short-term memory, they also have greater difficulty with tests of humor comprehension.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070710/joke-comprehension-age/

This explains a couple of people on this board, but not you two, cawacko and water. Get with it! You are coming off like a couple of geezers. lol
 
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