Private Protection

Timshel

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Interesting thoughts here... Private groups are already protecting us from criminals.

http://sheldonfreeassociation.blogspot.com/2008/03/private-protection.html

I had the pleasure yesterday of attending a lecture by Jeffrey Rogers Hummel, long-time libertarian writer/activist and a professor of economics at San Jose State University, on "national" defense in a free society. In making the case for private nonstate protection, he pointed that we already are protected to some extent from government invasion by private organizations. How so?

The U.S. government could be violating our freedom a lot more than it is now. During World War I, Eugene Debs was jailed for making a speech defending war opponents. This doesn't happen today. The main reason freedom of speech is more secure than it used to be is that the ACLU and other civil-liberties groups have for years promoted the idea to the public that free speech is a good thing. Moreover, whenever the state makes a move against it, these groups spring into action. That is, they act as private defense agencies. Interestingly, they are nonprofit and unarmed. Their weapons are ideas, which Hummel emphasizes are always the ultimate defenses against tyranny. As he says, "Force doesn't rule the world. Ideas rule the world because ideas determine in which direction people point their guns."

On the other side, Hummel pointed out, our freedom to own guns is to some extent protected by another set of private organizations, most prominently (if highly imperfectly), the National Rifle Association Supreme-Court-and-Gun-Control . Again, their weapons are ideas, not (ironically) guns.

This is not to say the protection is flawless -- far from it. But it is not insignificant. Think how much worse the U.S. government could be. If we want private protection Tech-Execs-Protection Jan-08 to work better, we need to win people over to a set of ideas not as riddled by contradictions and compromises as the current set is.

But the point stands. Private organizations can defend liberty against tyranny. If they can do it with respect to the the U.S. government, they can do it with respect to any government.
 
The problem with that, RS, is that everyone deserves protection, even if they can't pay for it. The fundamental negative right to life and liberty implies a positive responsibility of the government to protect it's people from criminals.
 
I think an idealistic picture of the future military would be one where wars away from America were waged with mercenaries, and invasions were repelled by the right to keep and bear arms. Sort of like Switzerland.
 
The problem with that, RS, is that everyone deserves protection, even if they can't pay for it. The fundamental negative right to life and liberty implies a positive responsibility of the government to protect it's people from criminals.

The ACLU does not require payment for protection.
 
ACLU is a socialist org it would seem to me.
You get something from them that others have paid for ?
It's not socialism bc the government did not pay for it. Donors to the ACLU pay for it and Lawyers, many of them, donate their time. There is nothing socialist about it. It is a private non profit organization that serves people as diverse as the Jehova's Witnesses and the American Nazi Party.
 
A lot of people say it's socialistic because they associate socialism with civil liberties. These people are idiots. Pay them no mind. I support the ACLU, and I am in no way a socialist.
 
As I said socialistic in nature but not socialistic in a govt sense.
Yes there are those that also confuse communistic and socialistic.
 
Libertarianism is not about "getting what you pay for." It is about free trade and peaceful cooperation or getting what you can free of force or fraud.
 
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