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This is how the people I know think Obama and the political left come across.


The Practice of Political Gnosticism

by David Stokes


Twenty-five years ago this weekend, Mikhail Gorbachev took the reins of power in the now defunct, late-but-not-lamented Soviet Union, upon the death of Konstantin Chernenko. It is an open question as to whether or not Chernenko had been alive for long before this, or was he just propped up? And maybe it is just a coincidence that the movie Weekend at Bernie's came out just a few years later. After all, the director was of Bulgarian (Soviet Bloc) descent. Just sayin’.

At any rate, Gorbachev’s rise to power is seen now in hindsight as the moment the tide began to turn in the Cold War, with the at-first slow, then accelerated breakdown of the Soviet machine—a socialist system. Within a few years, a wall came tumbling down and once-enslaved republics broke free from Soviet hegemony. Some began the slow process of converting to a measure of capitalism, though finding it tough going in light of the fact that the resident populations were so accustomed to having everything (what little “everything” was in such places) provided for them—from housing, to, yes—health care.

George Santayana where are you when we need you?

Conservatives don’t worship the past—or at least we shouldn’t—but we do see it as a valid reference point in decision-making about the future. Those who fashion themselves more “progressive” (actually a term with its own past) suggest we should go into the future experimentally and without the safety net of tried-and-true precedence. And when certain ideas and ideals from the past are resurrected in spite of the fact that they have never worked anytime, anywhere—these “visionaries” are convinced that the reason they failed before is because those sincere people way back when were simply not as enlightened as we are today.

We are living in an era of political gnosticism.

The term gnosticism is from the Greek and carries the idea of knowledge—but is especially related to various forms of superior or esoteric knowledge. Basically, a gnostic is a puffed-up know-it-all who has greater powers of insight and discernment than mere mortals. And in political terms these “best and brightest of the best and brightest” flock together just knowing that if they could run things the way Plato envisioned in his Republic—in other words, as a great big, all-seeing, all-knowing, political aristocracy—the world would be a better place.

At least for them.

The new political gnostics don’t trust markets or anything else they can’t control, so they seek such control as a concession to their brilliance. Gnostics always have a better idea than average every day people. Trust them. They know. They know all. They see all.

Of course, it’s hard to pull off political gnosticism without arrogance and the propensity to impatiently lecture the moronic masses. But gnostic arrogance is surely, at least to insiders, a small price to pay for making the planes fly on time and ensuring that all the rest of us are well-fed a healthy, trans fat-free diet, and can get a number to stand in line at the clinic.

Here’s the deal. George W. Bush was “cocky.” He had a bring-it-on bravado about him that was, to many Americans, off-putting. I understand that. He was self-assured and convinced of the rightness of his ideas. I didn’t really have a problem with that. Leaders need to be confident. But there’s a difference between “cocky” and “arrogant.”

I never had the impression that our 43rd president thought of himself as the smartest guy in the nation—or the room. These days, however, I can’t help but find myself recoiling at arrogance born of political gnosticism. Sometime back, a colleague of mine remarked about someone else that, “you could almost hear the words coming down his nose as he talked.” It’s sort of like that.

At every turn, the American people—when given the chance via ballots, rallies or meetings with legislators—have sent not-so-subtle signals to Washington that they don’t want bigger government, they don’t want Obamacare, and they are not happy with what is going on. It begs the question: Why aren’t some leaders listening?

Well, it’s because when you have superior knowledge and just know you are smarter than everyone else, any contrary word is just the kind of noise kids on a Charlie Brown TV Special hear when a teacher talks—blah, blah, blah.
Shortly after President John F. Kennedy had put together his cabinet during the transition period before his 1961 inaugural, someone remarked to the Speaker of the House, Sam Rayburn, about how educated and smart they all were. Rayburn replied, “But I wish at least one of them had run for sheriff at least once!”

And I find myself wishing we had some people in high places these days conversant in building something or sweating a payroll. Smart people, though—especially of the gnostic type—have difficulty grasping the concept that they might actually be wrong. It’s like that character, Sheldon, on the TV sitcom, The Big Bang Theory, who condescendingly remarked to his friend: “Howard, you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think that if I were wrong, I'd know it?”

Apparently not.

Oh, and Sheldon also said something once that pretty much describes how I feel about the future if all the socialist machinations in the hopper actually become the way things are in this country. It’s when he said: “I believe the appropriate metaphor here involves a river of excrement and a Native American water vessel without any means of propulsion.”
 
The new political gnostics don’t trust markets or anything else they can’t control, so they seek such control as a concession to their brilliance.

I find it fascinating that after coming to the brink of financial chaos there are still people who feel the government has no business in supervising the marketplace.

At every turn, the American people—when given the chance via ballots, rallies or meetings with legislators—have sent not-so-subtle signals to Washington that they don’t want bigger government, they don’t want Obamacare, and they are not happy with what is going on. It begs the question: Why aren’t some leaders listening?

That's because many people do not understand the term "leader". People vote for a leader. Unless one is privy to all government information how can they possibly make an informed choice? The people delegate the responsibility to a person, a leader, to carry out a job. Similar in the way one would hire, say, a carpenter to do a renovation job.

The carpenter is not going to consult and negotiate with the home owner when it comes to whether he'll use 2 X 6s or 2 X 4s. The carpenter knows the building code. The same applies to an electrician. He is not going to consult with the home owner on the gauge of wire needed. He follows the building code which the home owner probably knows little or nothing about. If it was up to the home owner he/she might want to save a few pennies, purchase the wrong size of wire, then lament as their home burns to the ground.

Any government program that has come about was out of necessity. For example, old age pensions (Social Security). The country started out without SS. The same with medical care. We know it does not work without government involvement. If it did/was working the government wouldn't be getting involved. That's why dozens of countries have implemented some form of single payer system. That's why Obama said don't come to the table with tired, worn out arguments.

It's not arrogance. It's common sense. Everything the government has taken over has been tried without government involvement and it didn't work. That's why the government got involved.

People talk about saving for their own retirement and how they would have more money than through SS when they retire. The problem is people don't consistently save. If they did there would never have been a reason for SS.

As for the author's comment, "...certain ideas and ideals from the past are resurrected in spite of the fact that they have never worked anytime, anywhere..." there is no better example than medical care.

While we can go back many, many years to see health care has been an issue we don't have to look back further than the mid-60s when Medicare was implemented. That was 45 years ago. Then, there were all kinds of ideas and ideals how the private sector, the "markets", good ol' capitalism would solve the problem of affordable medical coverage for everyone. Today, there are over 30 million US citizens without coverage and many more with inadequate coverage.

Forty-five years of ideas and ideals and these are the same tired, worn out ideas and ideals that Obama refused to have on the table. Unfortunately, we are all too aware of the ideas and ideals from the past that never worked anytime, anywhere, in any country on the face of the earth. That's why there is not one country that implemented a government medical plan then reverted to the "pay or suffer" system. Can it be more obvious? More clear cut?


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This is how the people I know think Obama and the political left come across.


The Practice of Political Gnosticism

by David Stokes


Twenty-five years ago this weekend, Mikhail Gorbachev took the reins of power in the now defunct, late-but-not-lamented Soviet Union, upon the death of Konstantin Chernenko. It is an open question as to whether or not Chernenko had been alive for long before this, or was he just propped up? And maybe it is just a coincidence that the movie Weekend at Bernie's came out just a few years later. After all, the director was of Bulgarian (Soviet Bloc) descent. Just sayin’.

At any rate, Gorbachev’s rise to power is seen now in hindsight as the moment the tide began to turn in the Cold War, with the at-first slow, then accelerated breakdown of the Soviet machine—a socialist system. Within a few years, a wall came tumbling down and once-enslaved republics broke free from Soviet hegemony. Some began the slow process of converting to a measure of capitalism, though finding it tough going in light of the fact that the resident populations were so accustomed to having everything (what little “everything” was in such places) provided for them—from housing, to, yes—health care.

George Santayana where are you when we need you?

Conservatives don’t worship the past—or at least we shouldn’t—but we do see it as a valid reference point in decision-making about the future. Those who fashion themselves more “progressive” (actually a term with its own past) suggest we should go into the future experimentally and without the safety net of tried-and-true precedence. And when certain ideas and ideals from the past are resurrected in spite of the fact that they have never worked anytime, anywhere—these “visionaries” are convinced that the reason they failed before is because those sincere people way back when were simply not as enlightened as we are today.

We are living in an era of political gnosticism.

The term gnosticism is from the Greek and carries the idea of knowledge—but is especially related to various forms of superior or esoteric knowledge. Basically, a gnostic is a puffed-up know-it-all who has greater powers of insight and discernment than mere mortals. And in political terms these “best and brightest of the best and brightest” flock together just knowing that if they could run things the way Plato envisioned in his Republic—in other words, as a great big, all-seeing, all-knowing, political aristocracy—the world would be a better place.

At least for them.

The new political gnostics don’t trust markets or anything else they can’t control, so they seek such control as a concession to their brilliance. Gnostics always have a better idea than average every day people. Trust them. They know. They know all. They see all.

Of course, it’s hard to pull off political gnosticism without arrogance and the propensity to impatiently lecture the moronic masses. But gnostic arrogance is surely, at least to insiders, a small price to pay for making the planes fly on time and ensuring that all the rest of us are well-fed a healthy, trans fat-free diet, and can get a number to stand in line at the clinic.

Here’s the deal. George W. Bush was “cocky.” He had a bring-it-on bravado about him that was, to many Americans, off-putting. I understand that. He was self-assured and convinced of the rightness of his ideas. I didn’t really have a problem with that. Leaders need to be confident. But there’s a difference between “cocky” and “arrogant.”

I never had the impression that our 43rd president thought of himself as the smartest guy in the nation—or the room. These days, however, I can’t help but find myself recoiling at arrogance born of political gnosticism. Sometime back, a colleague of mine remarked about someone else that, “you could almost hear the words coming down his nose as he talked.” It’s sort of like that.

At every turn, the American people—when given the chance via ballots, rallies or meetings with legislators—have sent not-so-subtle signals to Washington that they don’t want bigger government, they don’t want Obamacare, and they are not happy with what is going on. It begs the question: Why aren’t some leaders listening?

Well, it’s because when you have superior knowledge and just know you are smarter than everyone else, any contrary word is just the kind of noise kids on a Charlie Brown TV Special hear when a teacher talks—blah, blah, blah.
Shortly after President John F. Kennedy had put together his cabinet during the transition period before his 1961 inaugural, someone remarked to the Speaker of the House, Sam Rayburn, about how educated and smart they all were. Rayburn replied, “But I wish at least one of them had run for sheriff at least once!”

And I find myself wishing we had some people in high places these days conversant in building something or sweating a payroll. Smart people, though—especially of the gnostic type—have difficulty grasping the concept that they might actually be wrong. It’s like that character, Sheldon, on the TV sitcom, The Big Bang Theory, who condescendingly remarked to his friend: “Howard, you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think that if I were wrong, I'd know it?”

Apparently not.

Oh, and Sheldon also said something once that pretty much describes how I feel about the future if all the socialist machinations in the hopper actually become the way things are in this country. It’s when he said: “I believe the appropriate metaphor here involves a river of excrement and a Native American water vessel without any means of propulsion.”
 
Any government program that has come about was out of necessity. For example, old age pensions (Social Security). The country started out without SS. The same with medical care. We know it does not work without government involvement. If it did/was working the government wouldn't be getting involved.

Dumb logic. This shit came about because FDR knew it would create a permanent lower class beholden to the Democrat Party.
 
Dumb logic. This shit came about because FDR knew it would create a permanent lower class beholden to the Democrat Party.

It came about because some people were starving to death while the "market place" folks didn't do a damn thing other than whine about how hard they worked for their money.

Whether it's the ill or a single mom struggling or an elderly person trying to decide if their few pennies should be spent on medication or food the "market place" folks had plenty of opportunity to show us we didn't need government intervention. What happened?
 
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It came about because some people were starving to death while the "market place" folks didn't do a damn thing other than whine about how hard they worked for their money.
Actually, economists understand that FDR's policies extended the economic slump for 7 years longer then it would have if left to recover on its own. That's what caused folks to starve.
 
Actually, economists understand that FDR's policies extended the economic slump for 7 years longer then it would have if left to recover on its own. That's what caused folks to starve.

The folks were starving before. That's why the programs were implemented. You have events twisted. At least now the elderly get a few dollars from the government.

The private sector has always had the opportunity to solve a problem before the government had to intervene. They do nothing until the government steps in and then they whine and b!tch about how they can do things better. Well, they had their chance just like they had their chance with medical.

As Obama said we've heard all the tired, worn out arguments. I suppose it was a polite way to say we've heard all the lies.
 
The folks were starving before. That's why the programs were implemented. You have events twisted. At least now the elderly get a few dollars from the government. ....
It is you who have it backwards. Elderly got their money from savings, and assistance if they needed it from their kids and their church. FDR policies strained the private system to the point of collapse. Now you think we're lucky that he was there to toss us a few bucks. Social Security virtually guarantees that the poor will always be poor.
 
Actually, economists understand that FDR's policies extended the economic slump for 7 years longer then it would have if left to recover on its own. That's what caused folks to starve.

Yep, Interference from the Feds caused more harm! You highlight an important link from one progressive, FDR, to the latest progressive, Obama with Johnson squeezed in the middle. Both used an economic downturn to interfere and bring about a major change in our economic policy which eventually led to the Feds misuse of SS...and look where that's headed.
 
Yep, Interference from the Feds caused more harm! You highlight an important link from one progressive, FDR, to the latest progressive, Obama with Johnson squeezed in the middle. Both used an economic downturn to interfere and bring about a major change in our economic policy which eventually led to the Feds misuse of SS...and look where that's headed.
Here's a brief history of economic downturns. Whenever the government gets involved it causes it or causes it to be extended. Based on this we can easily predict that the more the government gets involved the longer this current recession will be.

1. The Panic of 1819: War Is Good for Business

Once the fighting was over in the War of 1812, the fledgling American economy took a nosedive. Both the agricultural and manufacturing sectors slowed as demand for goods dropped and many American workers lost their jobs. That brought on a wave of home foreclosures, bank failures, and high unemployment. (1819-1824)

2. The Panic of 1837: The Cash Was Trash

The introduction of paper currency, new to the American economy, caused the failure of a large number of banks. Heavy-handed attempts to pay debts with paper rather than gold and silver panicked consumers and caused them to lose confidence in paper money and demand hard currency. (1837-1843)

3. The Panic of 1857: Too Big to Fail

A single major company, The Ohio Life Insurance and Trust Company, went under and dragged the entire US economy down with it. Ohio Life’s failure was tied to European financial speculation on US railroads and triggered a wave of bank failures that caused some 5,000 other businesses to close in a single year. (1857-1858)

4. The Long Depression: A Nation Reunited, But Broke

Rampant financial speculation in the years following the Civil War - combined with economic problems in Europe - finally burst the post-Civil War bubble. The recession was mainly due to the failure of Jay Cooke & Company, the largest US bank at the time, and the Coinage Act of 1873, which depressed the price of silver. (1873-1879)

5. Panic of 1907: Short But Not Sweet

A run on a single bank, the Knickerbocker Trust Company, in October 1907 led to the first severe monetary crisis of the 20th Century. While the recession lasted only a year, it had a devastating effect and caused massive job losses, numerous business failures, and pushed many financial institutions to the brink of collapse. (1907-1908)

6. Post-World War I: No Dough for Doughboys

A combination of hyperinflation in Europe and the end of US wartime production caused a brief but severe downturn in the American economy. The influx of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers returning from the war caused high unemployment and labor unrest, a lesson not forgotten at the end of WW II. (1918-1919)

7. The Great Depression: Buddy, Can You Spare a Dime?

The collapse of the stock market and the American banking system sent the nation – and indeed the rest of the world – into a catastrophic economic depression. The crash caused the loss of billions of dollars and massive social upheaval, particularly in the Midwest. Some economists say the Great Depression did not officially end until the beginning of WW II. (1929-1933, 1937-1938)

8. The Oil Crisis: Pain at The Pump

In 1973 a group of oil cartels from the Middle East placed an embargo on the US in retaliation for its support of Israel after the Yom Kippur war. Petroleum prices quadrupled overnight, pushing consumers into long lines at the gas station and sending Western economies reeling. On the heels of years of government spending during the Vietnam War, the oil crisis pushed the American economy into several years of stagflation – stagnant growth and high inflation. The stock market dropped some 45%. (1973-1974)

9. The Dot-Com Bubble & 9/11 Attacks: A Double Whammy

The collapse of the overvalued Internet industry and the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks combined to pull the rug out from under what had been a decade of strong economic growth in the 1990s. Though short-lived, it left some sectors of the American economy – such as aviation, tourism, and high tech manufacturing – wounded and struggling for many more years. (2001-2003)

http://www.allbusiness.com/economy-economic-indicators/economic-conditions-recession/12590944-1.html
 
It is you who have it backwards. Elderly got their money from savings, and assistance if they needed it from their kids and their church. FDR policies strained the private system to the point of collapse. Now you think we're lucky that he was there to toss us a few bucks. Social Security virtually guarantees that the poor will always be poor.

They may be poor but they're not starving to death. Imagine if there was no program like that today when people's "kids" move thousands of miles away for jobs. Who looks after mom and dad then?

Get real. Ask old folks how often their kids come by to visit, never mind help them out financially. Look at the responses on this board when it comes to taxes. Do you think those greedy, self-centered losers would give a dime to their parents?

The proof is in the state of the medical system. Where are the kind folks you keep telling me about when it comes to people not able to afford medical care? Where are they? If things worked the way you say the government wouldn't be involved in any medical talks. Families and the church would be at the hospital paying the bill or paying for mom and dad's insurance.

As Obama said we've heard all the old, tired arguments. The private folks have had 45 years since Medicare to come up with a plan. Any plan. They did nothing. Over 30 million people with no coverage. It's outrageous and it's time to stop the craziness.
 
Yep, Interference from the Feds caused more harm! You highlight an important link from one progressive, FDR, to the latest progressive, Obama with Johnson squeezed in the middle. Both used an economic downturn to interfere and bring about a major change in our economic policy which eventually led to the Feds misuse of SS...and look where that's headed.

Where it's headed? SS been doing it's job for 70+ years. Not bad for a program that doesn't work.
 
Here's a brief history of economic downturns. Whenever the government gets involved it causes it or causes it to be extended. Based on this we can easily predict that the more the government gets involved the longer this current recession will be.

http://www.allbusiness.com/economy-economic-indicators/economic-conditions-recession/12590944-1.html

The recession may last longer but in the end people will have medical coverage. Just like SS. Seventy years later and it's still going. A few years of slow growth is well worth it.
 
It is you who have it backwards. Elderly got their money from savings, and assistance if they needed it from their kids and their church. FDR policies strained the private system to the point of collapse. Now you think we're lucky that he was there to toss us a few bucks. Social Security virtually guarantees that the poor will always be poor.

So your saying that the Government shouldn't help its citizens when their in need?
 
They may be poor but they're not starving to death. Imagine if there was no program like that today when people's "kids" move thousands of miles away for jobs. Who looks after mom and dad then?

Get real. Ask old folks how often their kids come by to visit, never mind help them out financially. Look at the responses on this board when it comes to taxes. Do you think those greedy, self-centered losers would give a dime to their parents?

The proof is in the state of the medical system. Where are the kind folks you keep telling me about when it comes to people not able to afford medical care? Where are they? If things worked the way you say the government wouldn't be involved in any medical talks. Families and the church would be at the hospital paying the bill or paying for mom and dad's insurance.

As Obama said we've heard all the old, tired arguments. The private folks have had 45 years since Medicare to come up with a plan. Any plan. They did nothing. Over 30 million people with no coverage. It's outrageous and it's time to stop the craziness.
Thanks for admitting that you are nothing more than a mouthpiece for The One.

SS has been in place for 80 years so folks don't take care of their parents like they used to. It used to be common for grandma to move in but not anymore.

If folks got to keep the money that they invested in Social Security they'd be able to pay for long term care insurance as well as a retirement with their full working income or a multiple of it, not a mere pittance as Social Security provides. And when they die they'd pass their earned wealth to their kids. So not only would their kids have grandma live with them they'd fight their siblings for the privilege to do so.
 
The recession may last longer but in the end people will have medical coverage. Just like SS. Seventy years later and it's still going. A few years of slow growth is well worth it.
You are completely confused, combined separate issues like that. Your mind must be fucked up.
 
Where it's headed? SS been doing it's job for 70+ years. Not bad for a program that doesn't work.

social security has been going broke for 70+ years because the fool liberals who idolized it fully trusted the government not to abuse the cash coming in to it. By implicitly trusting their big brother government, they fucked not only themselves, but the entire countries budget by not overseeing how government handled their money.
 
suggest we should go into the future experimentally and without the safety net of tried-and-true precedence.

Universal healthcare is tried-and-true precedence. Privatized healthcare has been an unmitigated disaster.
 
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