maineman
Banned
when the supremes agree with you, then your opinion will be something more than just your opinion.
Proof the Right Has No Idea What The Debate is About
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when the supremes agree with you, then your opinion will be something more than just your opinion.
What is most disturbing to me is the interference into privacy. I cannot see how even one lefty cannot understand that such power in the hands of somebody even slightly more authoritarian could be problematic, especially if one does "change" it and say abortion, for instance, becomes illegal.
This type of power grab is disturbing on far more than one front.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Article I Section 8 actually says "...provide for the...general Welfare of the United States...". Obviously this refers to the States not the People.
maineman
Banned
obvious maybe to you... interesting that the supremes don't seem to agree.
If so, they would have ruled medicare unconstitutional a long time ago.
Like I said... you got three choices, get off you ass and pick one.
I haven't seen you or one single wingnut ever demand that we eliminate the National Weather Service, Medicare, and the National Parks.
And until I see you do it, I'll simply assume that the charade about "enumerated powers" is simply wingnuts who don't want to see brown people, working people, or average americans get health insurance.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The SCOTUS has decided to let the elected Legislators have their way in issues suck as this. But again, what specifically is the Constitutional authority for the Feds to provide health insurance?
And, why not let the States provide it, if they so choose? That would enable someone like me to move into, or out of, a State based on the benefits that I choose to have. Wouldn't that be more "American"?
maineman
Banned
I think America is doing just fine.... if you don't, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I have long suggested the elimination of Federal agencies that are not within the Enumerated Powers. If you want these programs to be provided by the Feds, then pass an Amendment.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I'm sorry; perhaps you missed my direct questions. I'll repeat them for you, and more clearly enumerate them:I think America is doing just fine.... if you don't, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
1. What specifically is the Constitutional authority for the Feds to provide health insurance?
2. And, why not let the States provide it, if they so choose? That would enable someone like me to move into, or out of, a State based on the benefits that I choose to have.
3. Wouldn't that be more "American"?
maineman
Banned
if you want to have them somehow become unconstitutional, get enough SCOTUS justices who agree with you.
maineman
Banned
1. asked and answered.
2. because the federal government choses to provide it at the national level. don't like it? you already know your three choices.
3. no.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
1. You answered wrong, as I proved previously. Care to try again?
2. That's not an answer. Wouldn't the States be closer to the people that they serve, hence better able to implement said insurance?
3. How is forcing a benefit on all citizens more "American" that giving the People choices?
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Pretty sure congress has the authority to provide for the general welfare. That being the case, they can provide healthcare if they decide it's for the general welfare. You disagree, but you're a retard.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
Obviously you have no idea what the General Welfare clause means.
Why don't you tell me how providing healthcare doesn't qualify as providing for the general welfare, Professor Monroe?
How 'bout you tell us which of the enumerated powers given to the Feds to provide for the 'general welfare' this falls under?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Individuals are not States, and "general Welfare" is not a catch-all, according to Madison in Federalist 41:
"It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,'' amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. "
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
LOL James Madison pwned ibgayguy.
apple0154
MEOW
Why wouldn't a government, a body that supposedly represents the people and is in authority over those people, not be responsible for their general welfare, in it's widest interpretation?
Be it direct danger or misfortune or illness or financial distress why wouldn't a government be obliged to do whatever it could to lighten the consequences?
If one is expected to give their life for their country surely their country has an obligation to those people. For example, if one is wrongly imprisoned in a foreign country their government tries it's best to obtain the person's release. When disaster strikes, like what happened to New Orleans, isn't it expected ones government would help out?
For generations, people have gone without adequate health insurance. It can be addressed just as other countries have addressed the issue.
For a nation known for it's generosity and helping others it seems so strange some people are against insuring their neighbor has sufficient health coverage.
Why is that?
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
For one thing, we are not like other countries and we have to follow our Constitution. In order to come close, Congress would have to have authority over medical practice, but they don't.
SmarterThanYou is brilliant about this, so I would suggest you ask him.
BTW, Obama said the other day that even he wouldn't be able to help all of the uninsured.