Prove to me that God doesn’t exist

[Saint Guinefort]

The golden rule is a universal binding moral imperative that goes beyond helping your grandmother, your siblings, your fellow tribal peers. Helping your family and peers are just natural impulses, which is the very lowest ethical bar to clear. Its not even really noteworthy.

And it isn't possible that it started out more "locally"? Humans started off as small family-clan type units so OBVIOUSLY all the "moral precepts" would have started out being applied to family and those nearest.

I don't think religion is required for ethical development. That's just the primary way it worked out historically.

I don't understand how you can make such a claim given that you don't know what came before religion in regards to these concepts.

I think for a comprehensive ethical framework to take root, it needs some kind of institutional support and credibility. Siddhartha Gautama didn't cause the eightfold noble path to take root across Asia. The religion he inspired did.

I see the value of this, yes, but it sort of sounds like you are saying that until Gautama Buddha spoke his words there would have been no general understanding of the "Golden Rule" concept.

I will gladly admit that an organized religious movement WOULD help to establish a cohesive moral framework, I just don't see how anyone can claim that it was necessary to the establishment of that moral framework.

I'm still struggling with WHY Neanderthals would set bones and care for the injured if it was required that Buddhism or Hinduism or even Christianity had to exist first to promulgate the concepts. In fact unless one can make a case that Neanderthals had an organized religion I think their bones show sufficient evidence that even pre-religious establishment, much of our moral framework in how we deal with each other was well on the way to being established.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

So proving God doesn't exist in "one nation under God with equal justice under law" is due to cognitive dissonance & attention deficit hyperactivity disorder that can't be bought.....

" one nation under God with equal justice" is advertising only! Especially in modern America ruled by Corporate Capitalism!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Every culture has some code or norm of ethics. Nothing to do with religion.

You and your fellow Marxist/fascists are at war against any and all ethics. You see to debase all in your obsession to destroy this nation.

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

It is self evident to the casual observer that human ethical and moral thought evolves over time. It changes and develops. I don't see it being open to debate.

We have seen even in our own lives an evolution of ethical thought in the last 50 years, going back to moral leaders like Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela.

Whether the neanderthals or homo sapiens of the early Paleolithic had the exact same ethical vision as us isn't even a legitimate question.

The binding moral imperatives concieved of by the Axial Age religions was a watershed moment, as was the Enlightenment conception of a universal natural law -- and those moral frameworks remain with us in some form, as humanity progresses in it's never ending trajectory towards an unattainable apotheosis of moral perfection

FYI a generation ago,modern man built murder factories !
We have a very long way to go!

 

[Melchizedek = Michael]

You and your fellow Marxist/fascists are at war against any and all ethics. You see to debase all in your obsession to destroy this nation.

Let me guess, you Support Trump

 

[saltydancin]

Well, at least it's more coherent now. Good job. Keep going.

So in this Christian Nation interpretation of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" where "man is God" Christiananality pedophilia schizoid behavioral multiplicative geometrically increasing condescending arrogance proves God exists in avoidance of acceptance of suicidal super ego sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming disorders...