Question for the JPP Leftist Economists

Teflon Don

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So I keep hearing that illegals bring so much to the economy. I think Jarod once stated our economy would collapse without all of this cheap labor.

So the natural question is this. If these people are so economically viable and bring so much vitality to an economy, why aren't they doing so in their own countries?

Why aren't the boosting their own economy? Why do they have to come here?

Discuss
 
So I keep hearing that illegals bring so much to the economy. I think Jarod once stated our economy would collapse without all of this cheap labor.

So the natural question is this. If these people are so economically viable and bring so much vitality to an economy, why aren't they doing so in their own countries?

Why aren't the boosting their own economy? Why do they have to come here?

Discuss
Corrupt governments and drug cartels.
 
Wow. Really?

Yes, really.

There are significant costs associated with illegal immigration.

These include public education for children of undocumented immigrants, emergency health care costs under certain conditions, and the strain on local resources in areas with high concentrations of undocumented immigrants.

These costs can disproportionately affect state and local budgets, where the fiscal impact might be negative due to higher expenditures on services like education and health care compared to the tax revenue generated.

@Grok
 
President-elect Donald Trump has pledged to carry out “the largest deportation operation in American history” — taking aim at more than 11 million people living illegally in the United States. Nearly half are Mexican.

Trump built his campaign on restricting immigration, arguing that the border was out of control.

Many Americans agreed.

After all, illegal crossings shot to record levels under President Joe Biden, averaging 2 million a year in his first three years in office, before falling dramatically. Even big cities felt overwhelmed.

Mexicans are nervously awaiting a U.S. operation that could upend all that.

Mexico’s government is setting up 25 large shelters on the border to receive deportees.

It’s even launching a phone app with an “alert button” that migrants can press — alerting the nearest Mexican consulate — when they’re swept up in the deportations.

“We all talk about it,” said Elizabeth Villafuerte, 51, who runs a fruit stand in the town square of Francisco Villa, set amid the rolling farmlands of Michoacán state. As she sprinkled chili powder into plastic cups filled with watermelon, cantaloupe and jicama, Villafuerte commiserated with her cousin, Laura Alegria, about their relatives living illegally in Oregon.

Alegria’s sister and brother haven’t been home in more than 30 years.

Still, they’ve sent cash regularly to the single mother of four. It’s paid for everything from the cinder-block walls of her house to their elderly father’s leg amputation.

On a national level, the pipeline of migrant money has become a gusher. Mexico took in about $63 billion in remittances in 2023, more than from tourism or oil exports. The country has overtaken China to become the world’s No. 2 recipient of remittances.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/01/05/trump-deportation-migrants-mexico-remittances/
 
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimated in 2023 that the annual net cost to American taxpayers for services to undocumented immigrants was around $150.7 billion, suggesting that the taxes paid do not fully offset the costs.

This figure includes federal, state, and local costs minus tax contributions.


@Grok
 
The costs of providing services to undocumented immigrants include healthcare, education, and welfare services.
  • Healthcare: Emergency medical care, particularly through Medicaid, is one significant expense. For instance, Medicaid spending on emergency services for undocumented immigrants under the Biden-Harris administration was estimated to exceed $16.2 billion since taking office.
  • Education: The cost of educating children of undocumented immigrants is also substantial, with states reporting significant expenditures on education for these children.
  • Estimates on welfare use vary, but one study indicated that welfare benefits for undocumented immigrant households were significant, with costs like SNAP, TANF, and child tax credits adding up to billions annually.


@Grok
 
All crime, and the costs of that crime, by illegals in the US are entirely unnecessary expenses for the US government. For example, 16.6% of the federal prison population are illegal aliens. They consume $162 million per year in costs of incarceration as of 2020. That cost today is higher, but the Biden administration has released no data since taking office on this. If one considers inflation to date, that number is likely close to $200 million today.

 
All crime, and the costs of that crime, by illegals in the US are entirely unnecessary expenses for the US government. For example, 16.6% of the federal prison population are illegal aliens. They consume $162 million per year in costs of incarceration as of 2020. That cost today is higher, but the Biden administration has released no data since taking office on this. If one considers inflation to date, that number is likely close to $200 million today.

Not what he asked for.
 
It looks as though the reason illegals didn't stay home and enrich their own countries might be that their own country didn't want them.

Haven't some Central and South American nations declared they don't want their own people back?

:thinking:
 
Not what he asked for.
The reasons they aren't doing so in their own country varies. Reasons include:

Corrupt government
Heavy handed socialism and government control of the economy
No domestic or foreign investment
Onerous laws and regulations by government that prevent economic growth.
Social systems and laws that stratify and lock in people by class without paths for advancement
Internal or external warfare and conflict
Suppression by religion, ethnicity, race, gender, etc.
 
It looks as though the reason illegals didn't stay home and enrich their own countries might be that their own country didn't want them.

Haven't some Central and South American nations declared they don't want their own people back?

:thinking:
Yes. Venezuela and Cuba top that list.
 
The reasons they aren't doing so in their own country varies. Reasons include:

Corrupt government
Heavy handed socialism and government control of the economy
No domestic or foreign investment
Onerous laws and regulations by government that prevent economic growth.
Social systems and laws that stratify and lock in people by class without paths for advancement
Internal or external warfare and conflict
Suppression by religion, ethnicity, race, gender, etc.

You forgot to mention the possibility that they were fleeing felons in their own countries...
 
So the natural question is this. If these people are so economically viable and bring so much vitality to an economy, why aren't they doing so in their own countries?

Because MEXICO IS POORER than the US and there is LESS EXPENDABLE CASH around. Plus America is burdened with all sorts of laws making the workplace safe and ensuring a minimum salary. Most US companies won't allow children to be sprayed every day with aggressive carcinogenic pesticides.

So we have to use illegal labor for that. Americans BY THE ZILLIONS hire illegals to do yardwork for super cheap. Contractors hire them all the time. Corporate farms use them to work the fields and they have the added benefit of NEVER FILING AN OSHA COMPLAINT BECAUSE THEY AND THEIR KIDS ARE DYING OF CANCER DUE TO WORKPLACE EXPOSURES!

Truly the Illegal workers is GREAT for America: they work for wages we wouldn't even feel good about paying ANIMALS and we can dump as many horrific chemicals on them as we want! It's win-win for us!


Why aren't the boosting their own economy? Why do they have to come here?

BECAUSE WE OFFER MORE MONEY FOR THEM TO DO IT.

Seems you don't understand Capitalism very good.

 
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