Question regarding a small paragraph from Henry Kissinger’s book “World Order”

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Hi, guys, I’m a student from China who’s interested in politics in general, I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum to ask this question but I do not know where else to seek help. On page 42 of Dr. Kissinger’s book “World Order”. The term “rule of administration in social order” appeared in the following paragraph, I quote: “... Walking readers step by step through a ‘rational’ dissection of human society, Rousseau condemned all existing institutions—property, religion, social classes, government authority, civil society—as illusory and fraudulent. Their replacement was to be a new ‘rule of administration in the social order.’ The populace was to submit totally to it ...” As a non native speaker, it’s a bit hard for me to comprehend the meaning of “rule of administration in social order”. Any help with the explanation of this term would be much appreciated, thank you guys in advance!


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Sounds to me like a early outline of a form of Socialism, this might help to explain.

Rousseau: The Extreme Democrat

Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712–1778) was born in Geneva, Switzerland, where all adult male citizens could vote for a representative government. Rousseau traveled in France and Italy, educating himself.

In 1751, he won an essay contest. His fresh view that man was naturally good and was corrupted by society made him a celebrity in the French salons where artists, scientists, and writers gathered to discuss the latest ideas.

A few years later he published another essay in which he described savages in a state of nature as free, equal, peaceful, and happy. When people began to claim ownership of property, Rousseau argued, inequality, murder, and war resulted.

According to Rousseau, the powerful rich stole the land belonging to everyone and fooled the common people into accepting them as rulers. Rousseau concluded that the social contract was not a willing agreement, as Hobbes, Locke, and Montesquieu had believed, but a fraud against the people committed by the rich.

In 1762, Rousseau published his most important work on political theory, The Social Contract. His opening line is still striking today: “Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains.” Rousseau agreed with Locke that the individual should never be forced to give up his or her natural rights to a king.

The problem in the state of nature, Rousseau said, was to find a way to protect everyone’s life, liberty, and property while each person remained free. Rousseau’s solution was for people to enter into a social contract. They would give up all their rights, not to a king, but to “the whole community,” all the people. He called all the people the “sovereign,” a term used by Hobbes to mainly refer to a king. The people then exercised their “general will” to make laws for the “public good.”

Rousseau argued that the general will of the people could not be decided by elected representatives. He believed in a direct democracy in which everyone voted to express the general will and to make the laws of the land. Rousseau had in mind a democracy on a small scale, a city-state like his native Geneva.

In Rousseau’s democracy, anyone who disobeyed the general will of the people “will be forced to be free.” He believed that citizens must obey the laws or be forced to do so as long as they remained a resident of the state. This is a “civil state,” Rousseau says, where security, justice, liberty, and property are protected and enjoyed by all.

All political power, according to Rousseau, must reside with the people, exercising their general will. There can be no separation of powers, as Montesquieu proposed. The people, meeting together, will deliberate individually on laws and then by majority vote find the general will. Rousseau’s general will was later embodied in the words “We the people . . .” at the beginning of the U.S. Constitution.

Rousseau was rather vague on the mechanics of how his democracy would work. There would be a government of sorts, entrusted with administering the general will. But it would be composed of “mere officials” who got their orders from the people.

Rousseau believed that religion divided and weakened the state. “It is impossible to live in peace with people you think are damned,” he said. He favored a “civil religion” that accepted God, but concentrated on the sacredness of the social contract.

Rousseau realized that democracy as he envisioned it would be hard to maintain. He warned, “As soon as any man says of the affairs of the State, ‘What does it matter to me?’ the State may be given up for lost.”

http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-righ...e-montesquieu-and-rousseau-on-government.html
 
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The OP sounds when read out loud as if it was written by an American.

Rousseau posits the Natural Order as the ultimate in the development of mankind, and any kind of manmade restriction, government or church or taxes or whatever as restricting man.

He would have hated communism or socialism as too restrictive and capitalism or democracy as even more restrictive.
 
Thank you all for your reply! It’s been very helpful, just to add to the discussion, Dr.Kissinger wrote the following later:” These theories prefigured the modern totalitarian regime, in which the popular will ratifies decisions that have already been announced by means of staged mass demonstration.”
I’d say some people took Rousseau seriously lol


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Hi, guys, I’m a student from China who’s interested in politics in general, I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum to ask this question but I do not know where else to seek help. On page 42 of Dr. Kissinger’s book “World Order”. The term “rule of administration in social order” appeared in the following paragraph, I quote: “... Walking readers step by step through a ‘rational’ dissection of human society, Rousseau condemned all existing institutions—property, religion, social classes, government authority, civil society—as illusory and fraudulent. Their replacement was to be a new ‘rule of administration in the social order.’ The populace was to submit totally to it ...” As a non native speaker, it’s a bit hard for me to comprehend the meaning of “rule of administration in social order”. Any help with the explanation of this term would be much appreciated, thank you guys in advance!


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You’ll have to forgive some of our more conservative, older, Cold War era posters who still look under their beds at night to make sure a Communist isn’t hiding under it.

Conceptually what Rousseau, and the war criminal Kissinger, were referring to is what would now be called “Social Rules Systems Theory”.

In short they mean rule or governance by the rule of law, customs, norms and social institutions (Courts, Juries, Legislature, Executive Magistracies, etc.,) and not the rule of men, (Kings, Autocrats, Dictators, Aristocrats, Oligarchies, etc,). It is essentially an institutionalist view of the social sciences that places primacy on institutions and in its use of social rules to define concepts in social theory.

For more detailed information please reference “social rule system theory”.

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You’ll have to forgive some of our more conservative, older, Cold War era posters who still look under their beds at night to make sure a Communist isn’t hiding under it.

Conceptually what Rousseau, and the war criminal Kissinger, were referring to is what would now be called “Social Rules Systems Theory”.

In short they mean rule or governance by the rule of law and social institutions (Courts, Juries, Legislature, Executive Magistracies, etc.,) and not the rule of men, (Kings, Autocrats, Dictators, Aristocrats, Oligarchies, etc,).

For more detailed information please reference “social rule system theory”.

Nice to meet you Frank. Welcome to our disfunctional little family on the net.

See post 2!!
 
Hi, guys, I’m a student from China who’s interested in politics in general, I apologize in advance if this is the wrong forum to ask this question but I do not know where else to seek help. On page 42 of Dr. Kissinger’s book “World Order”. The term “rule of administration in social order” appeared in the following paragraph, I quote: “... Walking readers step by step through a ‘rational’ dissection of human society, Rousseau condemned all existing institutions—property, religion, social classes, government authority, civil society—as illusory and fraudulent. Their replacement was to be a new ‘rule of administration in the social order.’ The populace was to submit totally to it ...” As a non native speaker, it’s a bit hard for me to comprehend the meaning of “rule of administration in social order”. Any help with the explanation of this term would be much appreciated, thank you guys in advance!


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read this while you are at it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/02/china-surveillance/552203/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests
 
You’ll have to forgive some of our more conservative, older, Cold War era posters who still look under their beds at night to make sure a Communist isn’t hiding under it.

Conceptually what Rousseau, and the war criminal Kissinger, were referring to is what would now be called “Social Rules Systems Theory”.

In short they mean rule or governance by the rule of law, customs, norms and social institutions (Courts, Juries, Legislature, Executive Magistracies, etc.,) and not the rule of men, (Kings, Autocrats, Dictators, Aristocrats, Oligarchies, etc,). It is essentially an institutionalist view of the social sciences that places primacy on institutions and in its use of social rules to define concepts in social theory.

For more detailed information please reference “social rule system theory”.

Nice to meet you Frank. Welcome to our disfunctional little family on the net.

get back under the bed, pinko......
 
You’ll have to forgive some of our more conservative, older, Cold War era posters who still look under their beds at night to make sure a Communist isn’t hiding under it.

Conceptually what Rousseau, and the war criminal Kissinger, were referring to is what would now be called “Social Rules Systems Theory”.

In short they mean rule or governance by the rule of law, customs, norms and social institutions (Courts, Juries, Legislature, Executive Magistracies, etc.,) and not the rule of men, (Kings, Autocrats, Dictators, Aristocrats, Oligarchies, etc,). It is essentially an institutionalist view of the social sciences that places primacy on institutions and in its use of social rules to define concepts in social theory.

For more detailed information please reference “social rule system theory”.

Nice to meet you Frank. Welcome to our disfunctional little family on the net.

Social rule system theory was the first result that popped up when I googled this term, wasn’t sure if that was the right one at first, thank you for the clarification!


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Social rule system theory was the first result that popped up when I googled this term, wasn’t sure if that was the right one at first, thank you for the clarification!


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To my mind at least, it sounds suspiciously like the Dictatorship of the Proletariat as expounded, at length by Karl Marx, in Das Kapital.

This paper goes into that at length, so there's some bedside reading for you!

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1268564
 
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Rousseau also philosophied at length about the Noble Savage. He might well have changed his mind if he had lived to encounter some of the ignoble savages on JPP.
or spent time with Native Americans of that time...who probably would have tomahawked him as a naive fool.

Yet he remains one of the great philosophs of the Age of Enlightenment and was deeply influential to early American political theorist such as John Adams and to a greater extent Thomas Jefferson.
 
Social rule system theory was the first result that popped up when I googled this term, wasn’t sure if that was the right one at first, thank you for the clarification!


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You’re welcome. I assumed you were trying to get your mind around a basic concept.
 
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