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apple0154
MEOW
As far as dead people are concerned those opposing them are corpse-ists. Or would that be anti-cadaver-ites?
JFK's Catholicism was an "issue"
I recall the campaign JFK vs. Nixon, a LOT of questions asked by the press "will the Vatican guide you" and such. He answered..see if i can recall.. something along the lines of "my religion is my personal belief; i swear to uphold the Constitution as President " ( paraphrased).
This was a BIG deal, JFK parried the point until it wasn't . There is no religious test for office, judging Romeny by his religion, is simply wrong headed.
IMHO -also goes againt the founders thoughts -as expressed in the 1st Amendment.
Judge him by his idiotic positions "we 're not tough enough on Iran" etc. They're loony tunes enough.
I recall the campaign JFK vs. Nixon, a LOT of questions asked by the press "will the Vatican guide you" and such. He answered..see if i can recall.. something along the lines of "my religion is my personal belief; i swear to uphold the Constitution as President " ( paraphrased).
This was a BIG deal, JFK parried the point until it wasn't . There is no religious test for office, judging Romeny by his religion, is simply wrong headed.
IMHO -also goes againt the founders thoughts -as expressed in the 1st Amendment.
Judge him by his idiotic positions "we 're not tough enough on Iran" etc. They're loony tunes enough.
JFK made it clear that the Constitution will trump his personal beliefs as regards to the office of the president and its duties.
*Real* Christian politicians brag about how God's laws guides them and supercedes everything, including the Constitution. Kinda like how Islam is the rule of law Iran. No thank you.
You'd have to show me a direct quote, where Romney says his religion would be an influence on his governing.
I agree the Christian fundie types are always trying to bring religion into politics; but that's thru legislation, or interpretation - the Executive doesn't legislate.
With the exception of signing statements and so forth. Nothing that I know of said by Romney indicates his religion will trump/override/influence his Office.
Just my opinion, i respect yours, but i'd prefer to judge him and other 3rd partys on their campaign ideas, vs. Obama's record as POTUS.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Repubs believed it was relevant that Barack Obama SR. was polygamous.
And that's fine, I respect your opinion, too. I don't need a quote from Romney. The fact that he's chosen the whacko faith that he has, coupled with his sociopathy, renders him unfit, end of story. It doesn't matter what he says or how often he says it.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Shhh....let him *have* his pretend little gotcha. After the ass-reaming he's been getting, every time he brings his girly drama here, it's the very least we can do.
I know, I just had the unstoppable urge to respond to him in all caps and exclamation points.
I know, I just had the unstoppable urge to respond to him in all caps and exclamation points.
you're using a religious test for office......simply that...with nothing to back it up. It's your vote, and you can do as you please, but i reject your premise.
Jimmy Carter :
http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Jimmy_Carter.html
Now how did carter's evangelicism influence his POTUS? I'd argue it didn't, but it does influence his behavior afterwards - it's part of is life( building all those needy homes, and he still makes moral statements). I guess it depends if you think Romney's religion would influence his governing - i just don't see any evidence.
Although he's crazier(ideas) then a shit house rat, i don't see it as a religous tie in.
Yes, it's my vote, based on my discernment of the available choices. Some religions are whackier than others. Mormonism's way up there on the 'whacko' list, right under Scientology. In the United States of Jesus, it's political-career suicide NOT to believe in God, so the vast majority of them are some flavour of Christian. Being a casual-consumer Christian is what Obama is. It's what most of them are. They need to say they have faith to placate the great unwashed. Romney's not of that ilk. He's proud of being faithful to whackoism. That's one of the main reasons why his own party's having a tough time embracing him.
I have no idea and I have no quarrel with Carter's leadership; I was 14 when he was president.
cawacko
Well-known member
I haven't seen too many complaints about Harry Reid being unfit for his position because of his Morminism and being Senate Majority Leader is a pretty powerful position. My guess is those who claim they don't like Romney because he is a Mormon would hold the exact same feelings about him and his policy positions if he weren't a Mormon.
My reasons for disliking Romney extend far beyond his choice to believe whacky bullshit. He's an out-of-touch elitist and sociopath. His vulture capitalist pursuits via Bain contradict anything he professes about himself to be 'Christian'. Choosing to belong to LDS Whack just seals the deal.
Harry Reid's a useless milquetoast.
LOL I agree with your analysis of "wackyness", and the need to proclaim a god based faith. Being Buddhist -it's just all noise to me - maybe why i don't take in "revelation religions" of any kind.
His Party is another story, they ARE influenced by the fundamentalist evangelicals ( although i read there is a new breed...ah forget it.. not worth "the google").
If you want to tie in the Republican party en toto - as heavily influenced by religion, i'd agree 100% with you.
Where we disagree is "will it effect his governing" -hopefully we won't have to find out. Romney is another "American Exceptionalist" prolly worse then Obama.
Romney is much worse than Obama; he's already demonstrated it for us.
Reid shows no signs of religion influencing what bills are brought up ( part of his duty as Majority Leader), nor his votes.
I don't see it in Romney either,,,,but Romney hasn't really said much of anything..i have no clue about his platform//i guess we'll find out soon enough.
He does scream more hawkish ideas - but Obomber has done more then his fair share of "American Exceptionalism"
They both suck, it's like trying to discern their degrees of " suckiness ". Forget them both -one reason I'm going for Johnson, even though he is a libertarian.
I'm tired of bombing the fuck out of countries like Libya, and droning the damn planet. My vote -my priority.
I'm sure the dead people won't vote for Obama. Romney's converting them all (including his father-in-law) to Mormonism.
As far as dead people are concerned those opposing them are corpse-ists. Or would that be anti-cadaver-ites?
See above. They're called "Romney supporters".
Bingo...Romney just says he won't say anything. Huntsman, also a Mormon, has categorically said his religion has nothing to do with his views.
j-mac
Verified User
Misrepresenting ones religious beliefs are something that should be left to bigots. I prefer to let the true whacko's speak in their own words...
And the Judas Kiss of his true pastor
When you put your faith in a man, you often get a liar.
Good. Thank you for opening the door. By bringing up Wright's craziness, we can now discuss the craziness of Mormons.
Tell me...why do you think he won't speak about Mormonism?
Well, you've certainly got the right guy!