PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
Poor PMP his Cracker Jack Trump university divinity degree fails him, once, again.
uh, Rana.....I win, you lose......sorry.....you lie about my degree and you are wrong about scripture......
Poor PMP his Cracker Jack Trump university divinity degree fails him, once, again.
What's written is what's written......personal opinion has nothing to do with the actual text which reads the same for everyone who wishes to read it. As demonstrated, the scriptures self interpret if allowed.
When studying any subject found in scripture, "THE WHOLE COUNSEL FO GOD....." should and must be considered when searching for scriptural truth (Acts 20:7). All passages must be studied and presented in the context recorded (not cherry picked from the entire passage). You must present evidence (other than just personal opinion) where that particular subject matter is addressed elsewhere in scripture (Book, Chapter and Verse). It helps to have a Greek and Hebrew dictionary loaded into your desktop in order to properly translate any word and its original root meaning and use.
I posted other passages earlier.
What's written is what's written......personal opinion has nothing to do with the actual text which reads the same for everyone who wishes to read it. As demonstrated, the scriptures self interpret if allowed.
When studying any subject found in scripture, "THE WHOLE COUNSEL FO GOD....." should and must be considered when searching for scriptural truth (Acts 20:7). All passages must be studied and presented in the context recorded (not cherry picked from the entire passage). You must present evidence (other than just personal opinion) where that particular subject matter is addressed elsewhere in scripture (Book, Chapter and Verse). It helps to have a Greek and Hebrew dictionary loaded into your desktop in order to properly translate any word and its original root meaning and use.
you were incorrect then and now.....
Poor PMP his Cracker Jack Trump university divinity degree fails him, once, again.
No, your third rate education needs updating.
Poor PMP his Cracker Jack Trump university divinity degree fails him, once, again.
The consensus within modern critical scholarship sees within these Books two or more earlier, written sources, woven together, redacted, and amended over several centuries. The original sources can be distinguished, or at least hypothesized, by differences in vocabulary, tone, ideology, and historical detail. Such obvious inconsistencies and variations in the Bible often puzzle close readers ..
The two most popular names used for God in the Pentateuch – Jehovah (YHVH) and Elohim – were among the first and most consequential differences to be explored and mapped by source critics. The obvious discrepancy between the use of the name YHVH by the Patriarchs (e.g. Gen.15.7, 28.13) and the revelation of the divine name to Moses centuries later ostensibly for the first time ..
https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....say-he-only-revealed-his-name-yahweh-to-moses
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A minister, maybe sincere, and maybe simply mentally unstable or delusional can hide in the ministry much better than he can hide at IBM. A minister that is prolific, charismatic while also dictatorial and delusional looks spiritual and obedient. The quirkiness is mistaken for spirituality and obedience to God. They have the ability to be deceivingly compassionate one minute and intensely angry at anything and everyone the next. They don’t like to be contradicted, corrected nor have their mental processes questioned. They NEVER take personality tests! How is it that normal human beings, who have accurate perceptions about the mental instability of some at work, then lose that instinct at church? The quirkiness at work becomes the spiritually desirable trait in church!
thousands of years ago that has been the basis for so much religious zealotry is simply better understood in the context of mental illness? We always say if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck, there is a good chance we may be dealing with a duck. When it comes to religion however we change our perceptions. If it walks like a narcissist, if it talks like a Para or schizophrenic and if it has all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy, it must be a man of God!
I posted other passages earlier.
And I presented the reason that its "worthless" to debate someone that parrots the OPINION of others in relation to the actual text, context and subject matter of Book, Chapter and Verse. Why bother with more of your parroted shopping list when the first was easily "dispatched" with just a little documentation from scripture applied with common sense? Truth: This is a common practice of seculars attempting to discredit the authority of the Holy Bible....they present a shopping list in the hope of wasting the time of others. I simply debunk and refute the first....establishing the validity of the entirety as being just as worthless. When you are incapable of defending your first argument because you parroted it from another.....where's the BEEF?
He has written quite a few interesting sounding books, thanks. Have you read Karen Armstrong? Or Elaine Pagels?
Indeed. We've seen in the discussions involving evolution vs "intelligent design" that the religious are adept at finding and adopting pseudo-scientists who then proceed to use the Bible to "prove" that ID is the correct explanation and that evolution is just bunkum. The same happens when anything else in the Bible is questioned. Verses are chosen, then the faithful quotes his/her pastor and/or other human source as to how it should be properly considered. See the discussion regarding the Pope and atheists for one example of this phenomenon.
I find it very amusing....when someone...anyone attempts to use the Bible in order to refute the Bible. When its demonstrated that the actual text of the Bible does not come close to relaying the message pretended to be presented by the questioner.....there is a sudden 180 degree about fact, once again the Bible cannot defend itself because of the content actually located within it? Really? Sounds kind'a secular and circular to me. First the Bible is the best thing since sliced bread when you think you have found a GOTCHA! But worthless to be used IN ITS OWN DEFENSE?
A minister, maybe sincere, and maybe simply mentally unstable or delusional can hide in the ministry much better than he can hide at IBM. A minister that is prolific, charismatic while also dictatorial and delusional looks spiritual and obedient. The quirkiness is mistaken for spirituality and obedience to God. They have the ability to be deceivingly compassionate one minute and intensely angry at anything and everyone the next. They don’t like to be contradicted, corrected nor have their mental processes questioned. They NEVER take personality tests! How is it that normal human beings, who have accurate perceptions about the mental instability of some at work, then lose that instinct at church? The quirkiness at work becomes the spiritually desirable trait in church!
thousands of years ago that has been the basis for so much religious zealotry is simply better understood in the context of mental illness? We always say if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and swims like a duck, there is a good chance we may be dealing with a duck. When it comes to religion however we change our perceptions. If it walks like a narcissist, if it talks like a Para or schizophrenic and if it has all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy, it must be a man of God!
I find it very amusing....when someone...anyone attempts to use the Bible in order to refute the Bible. When its demonstrated that the actual text of the Bible does not come close to relaying the message pretended to be presented by the questioner.....there is a sudden 180 degree about facE, once again the Bible cannot defend itself because of the content actually located within it? Really? Sounds kind'a secular and circular to me. First the Bible is the best thing since sliced bread when you think you have found a GOTCHA! But worthless to be used IN ITS OWN DEFENSE?
When anyone is attempting to defend Christian Doctrine.....is there a more authoritarian source than the Holy Scriptures....as that is were all of Christianity is founded, THE WORD? Priceless amusement. What you are attempting is just as logical as saying, "I wish to debate you on the merits of the US Constitution in relation to the US rule of law......but you cannot use the Constitution to prove your argument. Funny as hell...oophs.
You misunderstood my point. Let's reiterate. Unless the person using the Bible to prove some point can read the original languages in which it was written, they are merely parroting some other human's interpretation of what was written. To make it even more confusing, some of the faithful use the opinions of their own pastor or a non-Bible author to explain chosen passages. One good example of this was the recent discussion on the meaning of Matthew 25:31-46. The argument was that these verses relate Jesus describing how you get to Heaven -- good works (feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, visiting the imprisoned, etc.). The counter argument was that it doesn't say that at all, and you're only saved by faith (which Jesus does not mention at all in these passages). So then the interpretation by others gets hauled out to "prove" that you're not saved by good works despite Jesus's own words saying just that.
See?
you get the idea. The secular world does not want to apply the same standards to the demonstrably valid translations of the Holy Bible....but ignore their own 800lb. Gorilla in the room, they have a far less critical standard that validates subject texts taught as truth everyday in the world of Academia. Again....very strange.