Rand Paul floats impeaching Chuck Schumer

Dutch Uncle said:
Not a lawyer, but how does that square with screaming "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater which induces a panic with injuries?

Do you think any of the adult Trump kids who were personally involved in the planning of the rally including coordinating with certain pro-Trump groups can be held criminally or civilly liable?
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You mean "falsely" yelling fire;)

Several things apply. If you yelled "fire" your free speech was not restricted. You exercised you speech and you were prosecuted for the damage you caused. Police would have had to restrict your speech before it occurred to be a free speech issue.

Constitutional free speech applies to a discussion of "public issues." That excludes threats, slander, obscenity....Yelling fire does not involve political speech.

I doubt it. Surely Jared or Ivanka wouldn't promote anything violent. They were too busy making $640 million over the last four years.
 
Sailor said:
You make some good points. And I will stand by my view that democrats met all three. The only issue which would not be hard to prove is when they said compared to when riots happened or got worse. As a matter of fact a good lawyer could make the case that their inaction to stop the riots and allowing them to continue and get worse would fit the second part perfectly. The first and third there is no doubt.
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I don't think a prosecutor would bring charges for any of these cases.

Did any of those riots occur immediately after the person made the statement? How do you prove they intended to cause violence?
 
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Sailor said:
All democrats started riots dumb fuck. And let them happen. Get your head out of your ass and try to get some oxygen.
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Don't call me names. How old are you 12? You are connecting things with no connection. The black riots were fighting to make America live up to its claims. They were trying to stop the police from beating and killing blacks. They were fighting for equality. Trump was organizing a riot to destroy our government and put a person who lost the election back in power. He almost ended the American experiment.
 
Nordberg said:
Don't call me names. How old are you 12? You are connecting things with no connection. The black riots were fighting to make America live up to its claims. They were trying to stop the police from beating and killing blacks. They were fighting for equality. Trump was organizing a riot to destroy our government and put a person who lost the election back in power. He almost ended the American experiment.
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Those are not names Nordberg. They are an accurate description. You are dumber than fuck. Zero intellect. Zero education. Just a pandering political parrot with no clue as to anything other than what your hear. Like the idiot who thanked you.
 
Nordberg said:
Don't call me names. How old are you 12? You are connecting things with no connection. The black riots were fighting to make America live up to its claims. They were trying to stop the police from beating and killing blacks. They were fighting for equality. Trump was organizing a riot to destroy our government and put a person who lost the election back in power. He almost ended the American experiment.
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OK I'll do it then. I'm 12. STFU you fucking dumbass sailor ignoramus !!!!!
 
Sailor said:
I do not know Flash. I would never have thought our government would be trying to impeach an ex President either.
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I think they want to have the Republican's vote on record. It is obviously a waste of time since they don't have 67 votes.

The history given by the Democrats today make me more likely to think officials can be impeached after they leave office. They gave some examples of this occurring in earlier years.
 
Flash said:
I think they want to have the Republican's vote on record. It is obviously a waste of time since they don't have 67 votes.

The history given by the Democrats today make me more likely to think officials can be impeached after they leave office. They gave some examples of this occurring in earlier years.
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They gave examples but none of Presidents. Democrats have a bad habit of doing things that come back and bite them in the ass later. Then they whine when it is used on them. I tend to agree, this whole thing is an exercise in futility and an enormous waste of time and taxpayers dollars. It is not like there are some real issues that Congress should be addressing. It is like they are afraid to actually have to do something useful.
 
Flash said:
You mean "falsely" yelling fire;)

Several things apply. If you yelled "fire" your free speech was not restricted. You exercised you speech and you were prosecuted for the damage you caused. Police would have had to restrict your speech before it occurred to be a free speech issue.

Constitutional free speech applies to a discussion of "public issues." That excludes threats, slander, obscenity....Yelling fire does not involve political speech.

I doubt it. Surely Jared or Ivanka wouldn't promote anything violent. They were too busy making $640 million over the last four years.
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What if it's a "Burn down the Reichstag!"-type of speech?

Not if Daddy pushed hard enough because he really, really wanted it. :)

Thanks.
 
Flash said:
I think they want to have the Republican's vote on record. It is obviously a waste of time since they don't have 67 votes.

The history given by the Democrats today make me more likely to think officials can be impeached after they leave office. They gave some examples of this occurring in earlier years.
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Agreed. I think this is the first step of a long bureaucratic process. Hopefully the end result is good for the United States overall.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What if it's a "Burn down the Reichstag!"-type of speech?

Not if Daddy pushed hard enough because he really, really wanted it. :)

Thanks.
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If it was "Burn Down the Reichstag" we go back to the Brandenburg test. Did people burn it down immediately after your command. Is that what you intended? Is your speech what caused them to act or was the whole crowd yelling "Burn it"?

I would be surprised if Daddy tried to get them to do something. I read the Michael Cohen book who was Trump's "fixer." Trump asked him to rig an election for most influential businessmen by CNBC.
 
Flash said:
If it was "Burn Down the Reichstag" we go back to the Brandenburg test. Did people burn it down immediately after your command. Is that what you intended? Is your speech what caused them to act or was the whole crowd yelling "Burn it"?

I would be surprised if Daddy tried to get them to do something. I read the Michael Cohen book who was Trump's "fixer." Trump asked him to rig an election for most influential businessmen by CNBC.
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Not a lawyer, but isn't there a difference between inciting riot and being a rioteer? Sexual harassment and a leader creating a hostile office atmosphere? Where are the lines drawn on this?
 
Flash said:
I think they want to have the Republican's vote on record. It is obviously a waste of time since they don't have 67 votes.

The history given by the Democrats today make me more likely to think officials can be impeached after they leave office. They gave some examples of this occurring in earlier years.
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It would not make sense to have it any other way.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Not a lawyer, but isn't there a difference between inciting riot and being a rioteer? Sexual harassment and a leader creating a hostile office atmosphere? Where are the lines drawn on this?
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I bet most of those convicted of incitement also participated. They usually have to be present and involved in the emotions of the crowd. That is why I don't think Schumer, Waters, or Booker could be charged because I don't think they were present at the riot scene. They are protected from what they say on the floor.
 
Flash said:
I bet most of those convicted of incitement also participated. They usually have to be present and involved in the emotions of the crowd. That is why I don't think Schumer, Waters, or Booker could be charged because I don't think they were present at the riot scene. They are protected from what they say on the floor.
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Up to the courts. My main problem is how much popcorn to buy and whether or not to bet on the outcome. Trump already cost me about half my stake by fucking up the COVID response and losing reelection.
 
Cinnabar said:
It would not make sense to have it any other way.
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At first it didn't make any sense to remove an official who was no longer in office. But the examples about people who could resign before conviction is a good point since it would save them from being disqualified for future federal office.

I'm not sure if anybody who was impeached and close to conviction has much of a chance to get appointed or elected to another federal office---but there is Alcee Hastings.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Up to the courts. My main problem is how much popcorn to buy and whether or not to bet on the outcome. Trump already cost me about half my stake by fucking up the COVID response and losing reelection.
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I couldn't watch another afternoon like today. Trump's lawyers were terrible. Long, drawn-out with no real point. News said Trump was not happy with them, either.
 
Flash said:
I couldn't watch another afternoon like today. Trump's lawyers were terrible. Long, drawn-out with no real point. News said Trump was not happy with them, either.
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No doubt their ratings will go down. :laugh:

I was wondering if David Schoen could see his career and soul go down in flames. Hopefully Trump paid him enough money on TrumpCo bucks that he can retire.
 
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