Rand Paul's son's sense of entitlement

Shy Guy said:
http://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-officials

In any case, your initial statement is still baseless and, frankly, moronic.
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Stating that politicians (and political parties) often say one thing and do another is baseless and moronic? Like I said if you think politicians (and political parties) stay true to their word then you are either new to politics or you and I may be following a different countries politicians.

I gave you a pretty clear example to of the Republicans claiming to care about the deficit and national debt yet doing nothing about it. And I wrong on that?

I said national offices for Libertarians. Like in Congress. Hell I don't know if there are any elected to state legislatures.
 
Superfreak said:
Let me recap for you...

You spout off a lot of nonsense, then provide anecdotal evidence, then try to tie that in with your perception of a party's views on entitlement programs, then when questioned by numerous people as to how you jumped to your magical conclusion... you simply spout the original nonsense again as if that explains it?
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so true, so sadly true
 
Rana said:
Yeah, but this is pretty stupid. I see it as a cry for help. I was pretty rebellious, I never would have thought of drinking and getting on an airplane, too risky.
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Almost every 19yo I've ever met, including me when I was one not long ago, would have jumped at the chance.
 
cawacko said:
Stating that politicians (and political parties) often say one thing and do another is baseless and moronic? Like I said if you think politicians (and political parties) stay true to their word then you are either new to politics or you and I may be following a different countries politicians.

I gave you a pretty clear example to of the Republicans claiming to care about the deficit and national debt yet doing nothing about it. And I wrong on that?

I said national offices for Libertarians. Like in Congress. Hell I don't know if there are any elected to state legislatures.
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The Republicans haven't done anything about the debt because, to Democrats, their solutions are outlandish. Both parties have dug their heels in and, for that reason, there hasn't been a solution. That's why it's a poor example.

And I never said the Libertarians would cut welfare. I said they wanted to, remember? You've been arguing this whole time that if a party says something, I shouldn't believe that it's their intention - You've been arguing I should, without any real reason, believe the Libertarians are lying about supporting a core libertarian policy.

You realize how silly you sound, right? ;)
 
cawacko said:
A 19 year old kid gets drunk and acts like a fvcking idiot equal sense of entitlement? While it's definitely possible this kid feels he's entitled one doesn't have to have that attitude to be a young drunk idiot.

Is the goal here to find all children of politicians who have acted out in life and post ITT?
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Is it OK for the NRA to turn the Obama girls ( still miners) into a pro gun ad?
 
Shy Guy said:
This isn't an issue of perception. When a party announces their desire to cut the welfare program, it's a good idea to assume that they want to cut the welfare program.
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Read the thread, try to understand what is being discussed, THEN feel free to comment. Otherwise you just end up posting irrelevancies.
 
uscitizen too said:
Why did not the Republicans do anything about the debt when they controlled both houses and the presidency?
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1) Because Bush was one of the most fiscally irresponsible Presidents ever
2) Because they have been outspending revenue with the Dems for over 50 years
3) Because Bush was one of the most fiscally irresponsible Presidents ever
 
Superfreak said:
1) Because Bush was one of the most fiscally irresponsible Presidents ever
2) Because they have been outspending revenue with the Dems for over 50 years
3) Because Bush was one of the most fiscally irresponsible Presidents ever
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Bush? Whjat about the republican controlled congress?
He did not veto a single bill they passed for his signature.
But all bush'as fault not the republicans in congress?
We have found the true meaning of BOOOOSH!
 
Shy Guy said:
The Republicans haven't done anything about the debt because, to Democrats, their solutions are outlandish. Both parties have dug their heels in and, for that reason, there hasn't been a solution. That's why it's a poor example.

And I never said the Libertarians would cut welfare. I said they wanted to, remember? You've been arguing this whole time that if a party says something, I shouldn't believe that it's their intention - You've been arguing I should, without any real reason, believe the Libertarians are lying about supporting a core libertarian policy.

You realize how silly you sound, right? ;)
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I'm not talking about just today's debates, I'm talking about over the last 50 years or so which includes time when Republicans had control of Congress and the Presidency. And I'm not sure why you bring up Libertarians when they have NO national power.

When I say politicians say one thing and do another I don't mean they literally do it for everything they say. I was assuming we were having a grown up conversation and you would recognize that. Those who follow politics recognize what the two major political parties say on the campaign trail is often not converted into action or legislation once in office. There is nothing silly about saying that.
 
cawacko said:
I'm not talking about just today's debates, I'm talking about over the last 50 years or so which includes time when Republicans had control of Congress and the Presidency. And I'm not sure why you bring up Libertarians when they have NO national power.

When I say politicians say one thing and do another I don't mean they literally do it for everything they say. I was assuming we were having a grown up conversation and you would recognize that. Those who follow politics recognize what the two major political parties say on the campaign trail is often not converted into action or legislation once in office. There is nothing silly about saying that.
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There was obviously a miscommunication here. I originally posted to point out that cutting welfare wasn't a perception of the Libertarians, it's part of their platform. It's a fair assumption that cutting welfare is something they'd do if they gained any sort of political significance.

I'm really enjoying that bit of rhetoric you're using - it becomes you. In any case, I clearly "follow politics" and if my user title doesn't tell you that right off the bat, my posts on this board should.
 
uscitizen too said:
Bush? Whjat about the republican controlled congress?
He did not veto a single bill they passed for his signature.
But all bush'as fault not the republicans in congress?
We have found the true meaning of BOOOOSH!
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I thought I covered that with number 2...

Sorry, didn't know you were so anal...
 
Shy Guy said:
There was obviously a miscommunication here. I originally posted to point out that cutting welfare wasn't a perception of the Libertarians, it's part of their platform. It's a fair assumption that cutting welfare is something they'd do if they gained any sort of political significance.

I'm really enjoying that bit of rhetoric you're using - it becomes you. In any case, I clearly "follow politics" and if my user title doesn't tell you that right off the bat, my posts on this board should.
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whats your point ?.....most people want to see welfare cut (become unnecessary)....Bill Clinton and Newt did a good job of it in the 90's.....
No one wants to starve the needy but then no one wants to continue with welfare that continues for generations and becomes a way of life as the left wants.

They depend on the government dependency of voters in order to get their votes......
 
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