Range anxiety is becoming a thing of the past as electric vehicle technology advances

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It's astounding how intellectually dishonest that is.

It's very honest. The EV has been around longer than the gasoline engine in cars, and you are STILL waiting for it become practical?????

 

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The Chevy Volt came on the market in 2013. They have come a long way in a few years. It is viable. EVs are taking over the market and consumer satisfaction is very high.

They haven't. It's a Chevy piece of shit. Most people aren't buying EVs. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

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Sometimes it's just a discrepancy between what we ideally ought to do--
buy electric cars for the environment--
and what we simply want to do--
buy the car that we like best among those we can afford.

We argue to frame the argument in different terms,
because few people have the balls to say,
I didn't ask to be born
but since I was dragged here,
I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want to do
to the extent that I can get away with it.

Almost everybody acts that way,
but many aren't sufficiently self-aware to know why.

I suppose there may be a few saints walking around,
but I haven't bumped into any recently.

EVs don't 'save the planet' are use almost twice the energy of a gasoline car.

 

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That's like saying computers were invented in the early 1800's.

It's true - but it has nothing to do w/ the development of the modern computer.

Ergo, intellectually dishonest.

You looking for a desktop car???

 

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Again there is no significant advantages to owning a EV over ICE

There are a lot of disadvantages as well. Of course, Joe Commie would rather drive around in his POS Chevy EV. He wants EVERYONE to be forced to drive one!

 

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TA Garbler is still using that lame argument that "the government is forcing them down the public's throats".
It's bullshit.

Not bullshit. It's happening in places like the SDTC, the SOTNY, and the 'federal' government.

He knows it's bullshit but it's the only debate point he has left.

It's not bullshit. You are lying again.

He knows full well he's lost this argument

Assumption of victory fallacy.

but just like the 2020 election, he deludes himself so he doesn't have to deal with reality.

You are describing yourself again. You are deluded.

How Many EVs Are On the Road Today?
At the end of 2021, just over 10 million vehicles on the road worldwide were battery electric vehicles. In 2020, the number of electric vehicles registered globally increased by 30%, with over 2 million vehicles sold.

Less then 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

Electric vehicles are a relatively new technology,

Blatant lie. EVs have been on the road BEFORE gasoline vehicles.

but their growth curve in America has already been tremendous.

Not really. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. Sure, there's a bit of a fad going on right now, but as people become disenchanted by them, they go back to gasoline cars.
Then of course, there are the mandates (fascism) and subsidies (communism).

EVs do not 'save the planet'.

Since 2010, annual sales of EVs in the United States have grown over 19,000%, from only 1,191 vehicles sold in 2010 to 231,088 in 2020.

More randU fallacy and special pleading fallacy. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. There's a reason.

As new technologies go, the electric vehicle is still in its early adopter stage, even though its market share is improved.

It's been in the 'early adopter stage' for 150 years!!!!

While the U.S. new car sales grew by 36% between January and April 2021, EV car sales in the U.S. increased by 95%.

More made up numbers.

You don't find EVs away from the cities much, even on the freeways. There's a reason. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs. There's a reason.

* They are EXPENSIVE!!
* Their maintenance is EXPENSIVE!!
* They have poor handling and braking, except for acceleration.
* Their insurance costs are EXPENSIVE!!
* You are constantly worrying about charging it.
* They use almost twice the energy of a gasoline car.
* They still emit CO2 (meh). The only difference is that the 'tailpipe' is in a remote location so you don't see it. It's a coal and natural gas fired car.
* They do not 'save the planet'. The planet doesn't need 'saving'. It's big enough to take care of itself.

 

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We all know you hate science, gays, and technological advancement. Why comment?

EVs are not science, and you are describing yourself. YOU are the Luddite here.

 

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I believe you know that is a bad argument. The 1830 electric cars were passed on because gas was so available. https://archive.curbed.com/2017/9/22/16346892/electric-car-history-fritchle

It still is.

 

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The first jet engine was created nearly 2,000 years ago by Hero of Alexandria, and did not really catch on until the 1950's.

Lithium ion batteries were mostly developed in the 1980's, and were not used in cars until the 2000's. Solid state batteries are only now seeing their first tests.

Lithium ion batteries are solid state, dummy.

 

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I don't know what that means. You keep doing you. How's the BBQ at the Klan rallies?

You would know before her. You're the Democrat.

 

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You can get electricity from anywhere, but gasoline only comes from crude oil.

Electricity is usually generated by coal and natural gas.
That's what the EV generally runs on...coal and natural gas.

So gasoline comes from crude oil. So?

 

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Eisenhower made a disastrous attempt to drive across America in 1919... Should we have banned gasoline cars because of that?

EVs would've been even worse. Try again.

 

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Bullshit. A jet engine consists of a compressor driven by a turbine. Hero's engine has nothing like that. Battery technology has only improved incrementally since the 1940's.

The lithium-ion battery was developed in the mid 80's and hasn't changed. It's still the same battery. Lithium produces the same joules per mole as it always has. That's a physical property of lithium, and it cannot change.

 

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As long as you only drive around town they're fine.

A Tesla 3 long range can realistically go about 280 miles on a charge. They claim 352 miles, but real life testing comes in much lower. A half-hour recharge can get you another 100 miles. That is assuming you can find a quick charge station. Standard charging will have you stranded for 6 to 8 hours.

Quick charging can leave you stranded as well. You might have to wait in line for your charge, since other EVs are using it.

Refueling at any of thousands of gas stations is easy to do in a few minutes. There is no significant wait time, even if a particular station is busy. Even better, you can refuel a gasoline car (or other gasoline or diesel machine or vehicle) from a gas can. This allows you to refuel literally ANYWHERE, even way the hell off road! You can't do THAT with an EV!

 

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Nothing wrong about it. It's a dishonest portrayal. Just like it would have been in the '70's if someone said "we've been working on computers for 150 years, and still can't make them for personal use!"

You're going to be WAY wrong as the times progress, and developments continue. I think you know that.

So you want a desktop EV. Gotit.

You seem to think improvements in gasoline vehicles is somehow arrested. It isn't.

 

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Hardly the same thing. You are making a false analogy.

Battery technology is for all intents, the same as it was 100 years ago. Sure the exact configuration of the plates, cells, and the materials have changed some but the concept hasn't. You have an anode, cathode, and electrolyte. That hasn't changed one iota.

Computers however have gone from mechanical to electo-mechanical, to analog using electro-mechanical, to digital using electro-mechanical, to electronic digital, and are poised to go to electronic using quantum state computing.

Those are massive changes in both the technology and the way the computer operates. You simply are so technologically ignorant you can't see these differences.

There really isn't much difference between Volta's 'pile' and the modern battery today.
Comparing battery technology to computer technology is a false equivalence.
There is no such thing as a 'quantum' computer. That's marketing bullshit as well.

 

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Ad hominen.

Fallacy fallacy. He made no fallacy of any kind.

 

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I'm more interested in flow battery. If we are driving battery cars in the future flow batteries may be powering them IMHO.

That's just a large battery in the end, and it uses pumps (which require power to run) to move electrolyte around. You still have to carry everything.

 

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A variant of the fuel cell. Fuel cells would work for an alternative to ICE, but the Left as usual has fixated on the marginal in battery technology.

They won't work either. They are:

* much more expensive then even the expensive EVs, and will remain so.
* require rare earth components that EVs do not require.
* require time to ramp up and down in power, thus necessitating carrying around the damn battery as electrical ballast.
* require hydrogen or very dangerous ammonia as 'fuel', which must be manufactured, requiring far more energy than you get out of the fuel cell, making these even bigger wasters of energy than EVs!

 

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In the 2000's lithium ion batteries had improved to the point that they started to be tested in cars.

2008, actually.

And now solid state batteries are improving to a point that they are starting to be tested in cars.

Li-ion batters ARE solid state.

It is called the march of time. Only an idiot thinks there have been no improvements in the last 150 years.

I guess you're the idiot. You think gasoline cars haven't changed.
They have.