DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Or, just say "whatever" and disappear, only to repeat the same bull somewhere else.
Reagan on the Debt Ceiling
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Or, just say "whatever" and disappear, only to repeat the same bull somewhere else.
Nothing here but "because you say so;" Reagan never did it before, he never advocated doing it and thanks to a Democrat controlled Congress led by an empty headed rude Liberal named Tip O'Neal was not left a lot of choice.
There is a HUGE difference raising the debt ceiling to $1 trillion and now to $15 trillion. The lesson regardless of who is raising it happens to be that until we stop allowing these morons to spend like drunken sailors on steroids, the debt bomb will continue to grow beyond our means to sustain it. I suspect we have already reached that level but are still stupidly wallowing in denial about it.
It is with equal stupidity that we see morons claiming that the problem is a revenue issue and that raising taxes will somehow be a panacea to the morons spending us into deeper debt. But history suggests that this would merely provide a temporary reprieve to the insanity.
The T(axed) E(nough) A(lready) has it right and we see the leftist media denigrating their cause with a daily barrage of stupidity that only the most gullible can swallow. I guess the Teachers Union has accomplished its final goal of marching us to such stupendous ignorance that we now see intellectuals clamoring to engage in the class envy politics of taxing the rich.
I am quite certain that the irony of your remarks escape you. Of course you are here to argue that tax increases are the panacea to irresponsible politicians spending us into a mountain of debt that will soon drag this nation into the bankrupt status of a third world nation.
Please show me a time in history where tax increases led to a balanced budget when Democrats were in control.
Here is some pertinent reading:
The United States Has Not Had A Balanced Budget Since 1957
Bill Clinton was president of the United States from 1993 to 2001 and although he made significant progress toward fiscal responsibility, he did not balance the budget. If you don’t believe me, (that means you CNN!), then kindly point out two consecutive years in the table above where the total US debt actually decreased from year to year.
Here is another view of some of the historical debt numbers, and the corresponding annual deficits. As you can see, the United States has not had a balanced budget since 1957, the year that Dwight Eisenhower was in office.
http://www.geldpress.com/2008/07/us-budget-reporting-deception/
It's not 15 trillin yet, and it was well over ten trillion when Obama took over. Ajusted for inflation, it is not nearly as big a difference as you say. Your entire premise is rediculously flawed though, since your boy Bush was responsible for 6 billion of that with GOP senate and house. What you need is a lie detecter.
You presume too much truth detecter.
What we really need here is a reality detector for people like you who cannot comprehend the difference between the truth, facts and OPINION and spew idiot claims in a vacuum of any facts or reality.
How about you point out what I said that wasn't true, with evidence to prove your case?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
right.....a 50% increase isn't that big a difference....wait till you see what it is by the end of 2012!
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol.....good job on ignoring me......
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The Almighty
While I agree that Reagan's budgets had a lot to do with Tip's House, I think you greatly mischaracterize Tip. Reagan and O'Neil butted heads to be sure, but they left the negotiations at the table and were very cordial with each other outside of negotiations. By today's standards they were walking hand in hand with the occasional nuggie tossed in.
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The Almighty
There is no presumption. He is correct on the debt issue.
Here is another site showing the national debt year over fiscal year....
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm
Refer to post #43 by truth defector. He says, and I paraphrase, of course you are here to say that higher taxes, blah blah blah. It was to this statement which I addressed the "presume too much" comment.
Clear as mud?
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The Almighty
Given that you twice advocated that Obama 'should have spent more', it is not a presumption, if you want him spending more than the $1.5 Trillion deficit spending that he ALREADY has, then the only way to pay for that is higher taxation.
No, he could end a couple wars and re-alocate funds or even cut the dammed defence budjet regardless and re-alocate funds. You too presume, I see.
This is to say nothing of the rest of the pork barrel, none of your business bullshit the entire government is constantly involved in. Why the fuck does congress need to have hearings on baseball?
I am reading Reagan's book; Tip was ONLY cordial after hours and in person; during hours in the Congress he was a typical hypocritical douche bag Democrat who was determined to press his agenda of tax spend and tax some more. He lied to Reagan and whenever possible stabbed Reagan in the back. Reagan naively thought that people in Washington were much like him and shot straight from the hip; he learned the hard way.
This notion that politicians got along is merely window dressing back in the day; the difference in today’s world is that the hypocritical douche bag Democrats have been “outted” and cannot control all of today’s media as they did then so they no longer feel compelled to hide their hideous agenda.
Reality is not your forte'; if we completely unilaterally withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan, gutted our national defense and raised taxes on the wealthy up to 90% of income it would not be enough to cover the idiot spending binge Democrats had engaged in for the last four years.
I see that math is also not your forte'; but this is a typical syndrome with those who promote a Progressive Liberal agenda and vote for idiots like Obama.
Compared to wonderfull agenda of the neo-cons, let's see, one world government, service employment rather than manufacturing, return to the gilded age/robber barron times?
Don't act stupid asshole, it was your boys Bush and Cheney that pushed the deficit into the stratosphere.
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The Almighty
Actually, it was the DEM led Congress that pushed it into the stratosphere. Bush signed it to be sure and is also to blame, but Bush's $500B deficit is NOTHING compared to Obama's $1.5 Trillion per year deficit spending (that he plans to keep over $1 Trillion per year going forward in the foreseeable future)
While you are correct to say that cutting spending could help alleviate the deficit, it is not going to be enough on its own.... they HAVE to raise taxes if they continue spending. Which is why it is not a presumption to state such. You proclaimed Obama should have spent more which implies an even greater level of deficits than we already saw. Thus tax increases are the only way to pay for such spending given the FACT that we know the Dems (and Reps) have done little to NOTHING to curb spending.