Real Change - Pac 10 Expansion to 16 Teams?

Please, you're embarrassing yourself. Monte created the Tampa 2. That's one of the best defenses at the highest level of competition. What did Saban do in the NFL? Saban is a great college coach but it's not the league.

To be fair, Monte was not the head coach. So the comparison is apples to oranges.

If you look at Saban's time as defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns, his defenses were very tough. In fact, 1994 the Brown's defense was #1 in the nation.

I think Monte's work at Tampa is some of the best ever done in the NFL, but Nick is no slouch either.

But he flopped as a pro coach. A fact I am eternally grateful for.
 
Speaking of money and how it effects the games, especially the bowl games...



Alabama averaged 92,012 people per game for 2009.
Boise State averaged 32,782 people per game for 2009.

The Bronco Stadium seats 33,610. So they averaged almost 1,000 empty seats for their home games.

Alabama has a waiting list of 10,000 people for season tickets.



That has a lot to do with why some teams are more likely to get a shot at the title games.
 
I agree. The tv contracts are a solid money maker. The playoff is an iffy affair that may never happen.


Here is what needs to happen. We consolidate it into 3 conferences with all the teams that matter. Then after 2 years we combine those 3 into one Monster Conference and have a playoff for the conference title. (a.k.a. National Championship)
OK, I can't honestly say money doesn't play a role here but the real issue is that the PAC 10 and the Big 10 can place them selves in the drivers seat and force the SEC from a dominant position to playing catch up. The rest of Div IA that wouldn't be absorbed into these 3 power conferences would be screwed.
 
Speaking of money and how it effects the games, especially the bowl games...



Alabama averaged 92,012 people per game for 2009.
Boise State averaged 32,782 people per game for 2009.

The Bronco Stadium seats 33,610. So they averaged almost 1,000 empty seats for their home games.

Alabama has a waiting list of 10,000 people for season tickets.



That has a lot to do with why some teams are more likely to get a shot at the title games.
Either way, a 16 team or 32 team tournament would still favor the big schools via the seeding.
 
OK, I can't honestly say money doesn't play a role here but the real issue is that the PAC 10 and the Big 10 can place them selves in the drivers seat and force the SEC from a dominant position to playing catch up. The rest of Div IA that wouldn't be absorbed into these 3 power conferences would be screwed.

Lest you forget, the SEC just signed a deal last year that put them ahead of the Big 10. So its been a leap-frog game for a while.
 
OK, I can't honestly say money doesn't play a role here but the real issue is that the PAC 10 and the Big 10 can place them selves in the drivers seat and force the SEC from a dominant position to playing catch up. The rest of Div IA that wouldn't be absorbed into these 3 power conferences would be screwed.

Do you feel this deal would put the Pac 10 above the SEC?

And as far as conferences growing or trying to outdue each other hasn't that pretty much been going on since Miami and Florida St. joined conferences in the early 1990's?
 
Do you feel this deal would put the Pac 10 above the SEC?

And as far as conferences growing or trying to outdue each other hasn't that pretty much been going on since Miami and Florida St. joined conferences in the early 1990's?

I don't think it puts them above the SEC. I think the fan base will be rabid about whatever conference they are in.

And yes, the conferences have been trying to outdo each other for decades, even before Miami & Florida St joined conferences. The SEC fans laughed at FL St when they turned down the chance to join the SEC.
 
that would eliminate most schools with high academic requirements from ever fielding competitive teams (at least on a routine basis). The Big Ten, parts of the Big 12, parts of the Pac 10 etc... would not get top tier athletes. Instead all of the top athletes would go to the SEC.

I just checked out the U.S. World News and Report for top Universities. The Pac 10 has 4 schools in the top 26 and 5 in the top 42. The SEC has one in the top 46 and 2 in the top 57 and 3 in the top 87.

That's not to say the higher rated Universities don't admit athletes with below average scores for their school because they do but Superfreak is right.
 
what do you do when your conference can't compete, talk about volleyball or GPA's.

The Ivy league has the highest GPA and smartest kids entering. They get about 16 people watching thier games.
 
what do you do when your conference can't compete, talk about volleyball or GPA's.

The Ivy league has the highest GPA and smartest kids entering. They get about 16 people watching thier games.

Actually in this case school rankings is why Texas does not want to join the SEC.
 
that might be, but thier lack of a Championship game show's they are late to the show on the money grab. As far as faux we're academic, let's watch the hand slap for the Reggie get's paid, Reggie doesn't do class fiasco.
 
that might be, but thier lack of a Championship game show's they are late to the show on the money grab. As far as faux we're academic, let's watch the hand slap for the Reggie get's paid, Reggie doesn't do class fiasco.

Of course they are late. That's why the conference was going to fall into oblivion without doing something. The guy who ran the Pac-10 before SUCKED and that's being kind. This new guy is a freaking stud so far.

Reggie was smart. Dude got good grades. It just so happened that his parents were on the the take. And no one from the SEC can lecture anyone else about players getting paid and the cheating that goes on. In the SEC the phrase if you aren't cheating you aren't trying truly applies. That's just a part of the game in the South.
 
Another one for you Mott from today at CNNSI.com. This lady pretty much gets it.

Pac-10 willingly sacrificing its image in mad dash for more cash

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...n/06/08/pac-10-expansion/index.html?eref=sihp

The NCAA set academic standards for all student athletes. The SEC schools all meet or exceed those standards.

And Texas has a 40% graduation rate for athletes. So they can't be too worried about them getting an education, despite what the press releases may say.
 
I think only two SEC teams meet the Big 10's acadmic criteria for membership. Florida and Vanderbilt.

In the U.S. World News Reports Vanderbilt is #17, Florida is #47, Georgia is #58, Auburn is #88, Alabama is #96, Tennessee is #106, South Carolina is #110 and LSU, Kentucky and Arkansas are all tied at #128. The two Mississippi schools are way below that.

In the Big 10 Northwestern is #12, Michigan #27, Illinois and Wisconsin tied at #39, Penn State is #47, Ohio State is #53, Purdue and Minnesota are tied at 61, Indiana and Michigan State and Iowa are tied at 71
 
In the U.S. World News Reports Vanderbilt is #17, Florida is #47, Georgia is #58, Auburn is #88, Alabama is #96, Tennessee is #106, South Carolina is #110 and LSU, Kentucky and Arkansas are all tied at #128. The two Mississippi schools are way below that.

In the Big 10 Northwestern is #12, Michigan #27, Illinois and Wisconsin tied at #39, Penn State is #47, Ohio State is #53, Purdue and Minnesota are tied at 61, Indiana and Michigan State and Iowa are tied at 71

that's gay cawacko and you know it.
I'm not religious but I'm praying for scholarship reductions and no bowl instead of taking away games you won while cheating during the Bush times. LOFL
 
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