Reality: Homosexual Marriage

[DamnYankee]

In 1947, the US prosecuted Yukio Asano for waterboarding US soldiers during WWII. In Asano's case the subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk. A cloth was not even put over the soldier's face. So I take it that right now you believe the US was wrong for trying Asano for war crimes? (Now watch him equivocate.)

We didn't water board soldiers, but terrorists and enemy combatants. Do you know the difference?

 

[DamnYankee]

In the post-Vietnam period, the Navy SEALs and some Army Special Forces used a form of waterboarding with trainees to prepare them to resist interrogation if captured. The waterboarding proved so successful in breaking their will, says one former Navy captain familiar with the practice, "they stopped using it because it hurt morale."

Thanks for proving that its a training technique, not torture.

 

[Socrtease]

We didn't water board soldiers, but terrorists and enemy combatants. Do you know the difference?

Not arguing that. I am saying the US government called it torture in 1947. Are you now saying they were wrong? Because if it is not torture now, it was not then and it's use was not a war crime.

 

[Socrtease]

Thanks for proving that its a training technique, not torture.

IT is NOT a training technique if you read the whole thing dummy. So was the US government WRONG for prosecuting Asano?

 

[Socrtease]

We didn't water board soldiers, but terrorists and enemy combatants. Do you know the difference?

We also used those techniques against people that we were unsure of and ultimately released. So was the US wrong in 1947 to classify waterboarding as torture and prosecuting Asano?

 

[DamnYankee]

Not arguing that. I am saying the US government called it torture in 1947. Are you now saying they were wrong? Because if it is not torture now, it was not then and it's use was not a war crime.

We also used those techniques against people that we were unsure of and ultimately released. So was the US wrong in 1947 to classify waterboarding as torture and prosecuting Asano?

IT is NOT a training technique if you read the whole thing dummy. So was the US government WRONG for prosecuting Asano?

Thanks for confirming that you don't know the difference between enemy combatants and legal soldiers.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Actually, what has been proven is that you are willing to continue your libel against me for nearly a year simply because your opinion is different than mine.

it's not just MY opinion this is based on. This is a majority of the world. It's not 'libel' if a majority of people have the same opinion, so try not to get all butt hurt because your authoritarianism is naked before the world.

Just because the government exhibits incompetence in one area doesn't mean that it shouldn't fulfill its Constitutional obligations. By your logic we should have surrendered to the Germans because we delivered mail to our troops late.

constitutional obligations, like protecting all of my rights? following the constitution itself? and your logic of my logic is seriously flawed....hyperbole much?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

We didn't water board soldiers, but terrorists and enemy combatants. Do you know the difference?

two arms, two legs, a brain.......looks like they are all human beings to me. probably lots of others also. So what you're really trying to promote is that there is no longer any equal protection under the law, something that DOES fall in to the lines of the constitution. you approve of the government ignoring the constitution when it suits you now?

 

[WinterBorn]

Waterboarding isn't torture despite your claim otherwise, along with the claims by political opportunists. Since we are at war with terrorism, expect to have you phone calls with suspected terrorists monitored.

Those who have been waterboarded claim it is torture. You (and others of your ilk), who have not been waterboarded claim it is not.

I wonder who should we believe? Navy SEALs who underwent waterboarding or neocons trying to defend the actions of a republican administration?

If you are so quick to hand over our rights, you have not right to expect them not to be infringed upon in the future. The fact that someone makes a phone call to another country does not negate their right to privacy.

 

[WinterBorn]

You miss the point entirely. Skydivers pay wicked insurance premiums, thus take personal responsibility for their abnormal behavior. Queers shouldn't expect to be enjoy the status of marriage due to their abnormal behavior.

Total bullshit and bigotry. Its funny that you would deny gays their benefits from marriage, but do not seek to deny straights their due benefits, despite the fact that straights engage in the same sodomy.

The insurance premiums have nothing to do with whether or not skydiving is normal. If abnormal behavior is grounds for not allowing marriage, then disallow marriage for all who engage in abnormal behavior. But you haven't ever advocated that.

 

[WinterBorn]

We didn't water board soldiers, but terrorists and enemy combatants. Do you know the difference?

Yes, everyone knows the difference.

Do you know that we signed a treaty saying we would not torture people? It was not limited to enemy soldiers of a standing army.

You are dodging the point. We prosecuted someone for waterboarding because it is torture. Who it is practiced on does not determine whether or not it is torture.

 

[WinterBorn]

Thanks for proving that its a training technique, not torture.

You are dodging the topic yet again.

Just because it is used as a training technique on special ops forces does not mean it is not torture.

There are numerous things that those men do in their training that are considered torture or which would not be legal to do to them in any other setting.

 

[WinterBorn]

Thanks for confirming that you don't know the difference between enemy combatants and legal soldiers.

Thanks for showing, yet again, that you have no idea what you are talking about where out treaties and international agreements are concerned.

 

[WinterBorn]

The government shouldn't provide benefits to anyone who's not their employee or retired from service, married or not.

Again, are you advocating that the gov't offer no benefits to people because they are married?

 

[Canceled2]

We also used those techniques against people that we were unsure of and ultimately released. So was the US wrong in 1947 to classify waterboarding as torture and prosecuting Asano?

No, it's wrong to compare what the Japanese did to what American's did. The Japanese technique included the use of salt water (which in and of itself can cause death) They elevated the feet above the head which often led to actual drowning, they would jump on the stomache of the victim causing internal damage and vomiting, sometimes death; they never timed the length of time the water was being poured which often led to brain damage due to oxygen deprevation and sometimes death...

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it's wrong to compare what the Japanese did to what American's did. The Japanese technique included the use of salt water (which in and of itself can cause death) They elevated the feet above the head which often led to actual drowning, they would jump on the stomache of the victim causing internal damage and vomiting, sometimes death; they never timed the length of time the water was being poured which often led to brain damage due to oxygen deprevation and sometimes death...

So carefully controlled torture is ok? Glad you cleared that up.

Despite the differences, the men who underwent the procedure say its torture.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

LOL. So, if they pay higher premiums for their behavior you'd be okay with them getting married? Your "bottom line" is they "must" pay more cash? Queers shouldn't expect deliberate exclusion from society for their "abnormal" behavior.

Other things that are not "normal", piloting huge metal tubes through the air, being an astronaut, a heterosexual hairdresser, being President of the United States, the Prime Minister of Canada, or the Leader of Venezuela, none of which pay "higher premiums" for the riskiness of their "behavior", yet all can get married so long as they follow SM's code of structured payments, apparently...

Is deep sea drilling abnormal also??

 

[Damocles]

Is deep sea drilling abnormal also??

Definitely.

 

[WinterBorn]

Definitely.

But if they pay higher insurance rates..........

 

[Canceled2]

So carefully controlled torture is ok? Glad you cleared that up.

Despite the differences, the men who underwent the procedure say its torture.

Yes, there is a huge difference between a willingness to cause death and or physical pain and permanent physical damage to real soldiers, and using a carefully controlled interrogation method that does not cause any long lasting effects against a handful of self proclaimed terrorists...glad you can see the difference.