Recent Gallup poll has acceptance of gay relations above 50%

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PostmodernProphet said:
obviously I am not the one bringing their sex lives into the courtroom....they are.....don't try to pretend it is me that is not keeping it private....
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Of course, you are. You want the courts to ignore their contracts because you don't like what they do in the bedroom. There are also people who don't want them to be able to adopt, serve in the military or be able to do numerous other things based on that.

actually with DADT, they are only kicked out of the military if they choose to take it out of the bedroom....keeping it in the bedroom causes no problems
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BS. If anyone finds out they are gay, they are kicked out.

But being openly gay is not an invitation to their bedrooms anymore than being openly hetero is. If a soldier introduces his wife has he invited you and other weirdos into his bedroom or demanded that you imagine what takes place there? With homos it just causes you to feel all icky with thoughts of what goes on in the privacy of their bedrooms. That's your fucking problem. Quit fantasizing about their sex life, weirdo. They did not ask or demand that you do that.
 
RStringfield said:
I agree, for the most part. There are places where greater displays are perfectly acceptable. For instance, if you went into a night club and started bitching about some guy feeling on his girl or kissing her passionately, then you would be out of order. But, nobody really wants to see that on the street.

But the homophobes don't want them to even have a peck, hug or hold hands. They want them back in the closet and this "privacy of your own bedroom" argument is often used for that.
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yeah, I was speaking in general. I would agree there are certain locations where more PDA is acceptable. Though personal preference would be not even in night clubs... but again, that is for ALL couples who aren't hot lesbians. :cool:
 
I think what they do in the bedroom is a red herring. Wouldn't people still oppose gay marriage, even if gays didn't have sex and merely connected emotionally?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually with DADT, they are only kicked out of the military if they choose to take it out of the bedroom....keeping it in the bedroom causes no problems
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Straight men & women are not forced out of the military for admitting that they have sex with their partner. But gays are. It doesn't require details or graphic comments, just an admission.

There are also many places (like Arkansas) that will not allow gays to adopt. That has nothing whatsoever to do with anything being out of the bedroom.
 
SSgt said:
I think what they do in the bedroom is a red herring. Wouldn't people still oppose gay marriage, even if gays didn't have sex and merely connected emotionally?
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This is because many people who oppose gay marriage cannot separate gay sex from the issue. Its a "gross factor" to them.
 
RStringfield said:
Of course, you are. You want the courts to ignore their contracts because you don't like what they do in the bedroom.
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I suppose you could come to that conclusion.....if you were willing to ignore what actually happened......there were no contracts to ignore until gays went into court seeking to gain legitimacy for contracts that were not recognized under the law......but you just go ahead and paint your picture any way you want, we expect it of you......

BS. If anyone finds out they are gay, they are kicked out.
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not under Don't Ask, Don't tell......

But being openly gay is not an invitation to their bedrooms anymore than being openly hetero is.
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going to court demanding that everyone recognize that their relationship is the equivalent of marriage is more than an invitation.....
 
WinterBorn said:
Straight men & women are not forced out of the military for admitting that they have sex with their partner. But gays are. It doesn't require details or graphic comments, just an admission.
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it requires not keeping it private, which if I am not mistaken, would be the opposite of private.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it requires not keeping it private, which if I am not mistaken, would be the opposite of private.....
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I guess the definition of "keeping it private" is the question. Does that mean keeping it a secret, or just not making a big deal of it or discussing the details?


If a soldier talks about taking his girlfriend out for dinner and dancing, or if he talks about taking his boyfriend out for dinner and dancing, gets two very different responses. Neither would be what I would consider not keeping their sex life private. But one could get someone kicked out and one would not.

Also, if I put a picture of my girlfriend in my locker with "I love you" from her written on it, that is not sharing what happens in my bedroom. But if a man puts up a picture of his boyfriend with similar sentiments written on it, there are serious consequences. Despite the fact that both show emotional connection not sex.
 
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WinterBorn said:
This is because many people who oppose gay marriage cannot separate gay sex from the issue. Its a "gross factor" to them.
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Well, to me its always been an "are you serious?" factor. I simply view it as a silly interpretation of a word. Its of no consequence to any religious institution, since most won't allow it to take place, but as a civil concept, it takes an already broken word and fucks with it a little more. Which is why I propose abolishing civil marriage once and for all. Its already dead except in name and motions anyway.
 
Southern Man said:
Queers are much more likely to have sex in public; in parks, highway rest areas and public bathrooms. Its disgusting.
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Prove this statement or you are just full of shit. By prove it, I mean with statistical facts arrived at by someone other than you. A real sex study. I have been in 3 relationships with women that LOVED public sex. My first wife and I had sex in the back of a station wagon in a mall parking lot. I had a German girl friend that wanted to have sex outdoors ALL THE TIME. We had sex in parks, at lakes, in pools, and even in a stalled elevator. My current wife and I have had sex in a computer closet in an office, in a pool, on a balcony at a club. So I don't believe that gays are any more likely to have public sex than breeders.
 
WinterBorn said:
I guess the definition of "keeping it private" is the question. Does that mean keeping it a secret, or just not making a big deal of it or discussing the details?
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I didn't realize the idea of "don't ask" and "don't tell" were that complicated.....I mean, the goal is to keep it within the privacy of the bedroom, right?.....

If a soldier talks about taking his girlfriend out for dinner and dancing, or if he talks about taking his boyfriend out for dinner and dancing, gets two very different responses. Neither would be what I would consider not keeping their sex life private. But one could get someone kicked out and one would not.

Also, if I put a picture of my girlfriend in my locker with "I love you" from her written on it, that is not sharing what happens in my bedroom. But if a man puts up a picture of his boyfriend with similar sentiments written on it, there are serious consequences. Despite the fact that both show emotional connection not sex.
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I think it's obvious both involve "telling"......as in the opposite of "don't tell"......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I suppose you could come to that conclusion.....if you were willing to ignore what actually happened......there were no contracts to ignore until gays went into court seeking to gain legitimacy for contracts that were not recognized under the law......but you just go ahead and paint your picture any way you want, we expect it of you......
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Yeah, the status quo denied homosexuals the right to marry. So? And in the 1993 Hawaii case the courts ruled against the state. The homophobes then got busy pushing back with legislation.

Now tell us what it is that homosexuals have done to justify breaking up families, i.e., discrimination in adoption.

PostmodernProphet said:
not under Don't Ask, Don't tell......
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Uhhh, yes under dadt they are kicked out if their sexuality is discovered. If they let slip something that might give someone reason to believe they are gay, they can be investigated. They must be extremely careful not to give any hints, even in times of high stress, like taking a bullet.

Imagine you have a serious wound that could possibly be fatal and cannot request that your significant other be notified. That is what dadt does.

PostmodernProphet said:
going to court demanding that everyone recognize that their relationship is the equivalent of marriage is more than an invitation.....
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You are basically arguing that any complaint from them of mistreatment is justification for mistreatment.

I am married. That simple statement is not an invitation to my bedroom and does not justify an attack on me because you wish to fantasize about what happens there. That's all you.

Being openly gay does not justify denying someone rights. Again, no one has demanded that you fantasize about their sex life. That's, still, all you.

You just want to keep them in the closet and stomp on them if they complain, so you have constructed this illogical argument where being openly gay is equivalent to forcing you to watch their sex acts. It's a retarded argument, without merit and just dishonest.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually with DADT, they are only kicked out of the military if they choose to take it out of the bedroom....keeping it in the bedroom causes no problems
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Nooooooo........As I've mentioned before, if someone is accused of being gay, they can still be kicked out. That means if I, a NCO, see a guy leave your barracks room, I can accuse you of homosexuality and have you kicked out. It doesn't matter if you actually are or not, you can still be tried and either put in the brig or kicked out.
 
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Socrtease said:
Prove this statement or you are just full of shit. By prove it, I mean with statistical facts arrived at by someone other than you. A real sex study. I have been in 3 relationships with women that LOVED public sex. My first wife and I had sex in the back of a station wagon in a mall parking lot. I had a German girl friend that wanted to have sex outdoors ALL THE TIME. We had sex in parks, at lakes, in pools, and even in a stalled elevator. My current wife and I have had sex in a computer closet in an office, in a pool, on a balcony at a club. So I don't believe that gays are any more likely to have public sex than breeders.
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You're trolling SocTeaser. Everyone knows perverts, yourself included, like to have sex in public, and up the ass. I'll not entertain your perversions by citing "real sex studies".
 
Fears of gays sex aside, the poll in the OP shows a continued trend towards acceptance of homosexuality.

The day is coming when those who opposed gay marriage and the like will be viewed with the same disdain as segregationists.
 
RStringfield said:
Yeah, the status quo denied homosexuals the right to marry. So? And in the 1993 Hawaii case the courts ruled against the state.
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so the point we were discussing was that it was they gays who took the issue out of the bedroom and into the courtroom......apparently you have chosen to deny that while simultaneously providing me with the date they did it.......nice move....

I am married. That simple statement is not an invitation to my bedroom and does not justify an attack on me because you wish to fantasize about what happens there. That's all you.
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wtf....I didn't attack you anywhere...

You just want to keep them in the closet and stomp on them if they complain, so you have constructed this illogical argument where being openly gay is equivalent to forcing you to watch their sex acts.
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so, your approach to winning this argument is to pretend that complaining that gays take to court to demand acceptance is the equivalent of voyeurism?.....here's a clue....it's a stupid argument and isn't going to win any debates.....
 
Southern Man said:
No. I was referring to Massachusetts, the Gay State, formerly the Bay State. And of course San Fran Sicko, and lots of other places where the land peters out into the ocean.
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Yes, they get everywhere nowadays.

You won't believe this but i saw one on television the other day "talking", but you could tell by the look on his face that he just wanted to have sex right there and then, with children watching and everything.
 
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