recycling

Yurt said:
so dems have a big bullshit carbon footprint....gee, the dumb repubs will just put that shit right back in the field.....while you dems struggle to have a coal burning plant refine the shit before it can be put back in the field
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Yeah it makes jobs.
 
DonQuixote said:
i was unclear as to what i meant, what would be best is to restrict containers to just a few types of material that could be easily recycled rather that the proliferation of plastics, glass, metal and other materials

an example what we should not use would be individual juice containers

anyone remember soft drink bottles that had a deposit and you could get a refund...made of glass, but they could be refilled
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That's also what I was referring to earlier when I mentioned glass. It wasn't recycled, remanufactured, it was washed, sterilized and reused. I agree wholeheartedly with you about limiting the types of containers to recyclable materials.
 
uscitizen said:
Another form of recycling is EBay.
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... or as they've begun (and hopefully stopped!) calling it on HGTV, "repurposing". Damn, I hate that word, especially as for the most part its use is inappropriate anyway. If something is refreshed in some way (coat of paint, perhaps) and then used as it always was, that's not repurposing. Ugh!
 
Damocles said:
YouTube - Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Recycling Part I
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where is part 2?

also, it does not address the worth of keeping things out of land fills

things that do not break down like plastics

also, here in ca, there is a tax on containers that recyclers can collect

recycling helps keep trash off of our streets and highways (up to $1000 fine for littering)

also, my wife and i compost our biodegradable waste including using non-meat kitchen waste for our worm farm (worm tea and castings are good for not only enriching our soil but as an alternative to using toxic chemicals for pest abatement in our gardens)

part of what they do not address is what materials should be recycled

furthermore, if non-recycled items are mixed with standard trash they have to be transported too
 
Damocles said:
DQ, you really need to watch the Penn & Teller Bullsh*t show on recycling. It will open your eyes.
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i do watch p&t bs

their show on recycling was a little too broad

hence my thought about restricting what materials could be used

some can be recycled better than others

living in a rural setting, we can recycle more easily that urban and suburban

we are on a septic system and have room to compost and raise worms

in our county (santa barbara) green waste is taken to composting center and the finished compost is sold

my son's business includes recycling cell phones and he make a good living at it (he employs about 10 -12 people) and yes they have health insurance
 
DonQuixote said:
i was unclear as to what i meant, what would be best is to restrict containers to just a few types of material that could be easily recycled rather that the proliferation of plastics, glass, metal and other materials

an example what we should not use would be individual juice containers

anyone remember soft drink bottles that had a deposit and you could get a refund...made of glass, but they could be refilled
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You may be working from a false premis here. Reusable glass bottles are no longer cost affective and they take a lot of energy to create. Also, can you define easily recyclable?
 
Yurt said:
does anyone have any clue how much energy it takes to "recycle".....

it is lib scam...nearly everything that we are told to recycle actually uses MORE resources to "recycle" the material....
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Yes I do and you just simply don't know what your talking about. When you can get up to speed on this topic and talk intelligently, instead of talking right wing non-sense, come on back, until then you'd probably better keep quiet cause you're making a fool of your self.
 
uscitizen said:
Not once you figure in that carbon footprint.

Recycling also takes into account the savings of not putting something into landfills and such. Like Republicans once the bus ran over them.
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That only depends on how much it cost to landfill it or how much energy it does or does not take to recycle it. You're back to the #1 consideration for recycling. It has to make economic sense.
 
Mottleydude said:
I haven't seen that one yet so I can't tell you if it's bullshit. I suspect Penn and Teller don't know a whole lot about recycling either.
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I suspect that like many of their other shows they research and pass on information in a manner that is both entertaining and educational. I linked to part one in this thread if you would like to spend the time defending the gris-gris you can.
 
DonQuixote said:
i think that all containers sold to the public and most if not all sold to businesses need to be easily recyclable, i.e., made from the same materials like glass, metal and maybe plastic

i wonder if i will get rocks thrown by both the left and right on this one
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The energy used to recycle most paper and plastic food containers is enormous. A better strategy is to burn them in an energy recovery facility.
 
DonQuixote said:
whatever works best...and keeps the stuff out of landfills
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No kidding I've read 50 year old newspapers at landfills. Burn the paper and plastic and you get electricity, then the ash is a tiny percentage of the original volume, so a landfill life is greatly extended and the leachate is much less of a problem. But the environmentalists fight burn plants tooth and nail. They hate them almost as much as they hate nukes. *shrug*
 
Damocles said:
I suspect that like many of their other shows they research and pass on information in a manner that is both entertaining and educational. I linked to part one in this thread if you would like to spend the time defending the gris-gris you can.
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Yea I watched the part that you posted. In general, I was correct. They don't know much about recycling. They talk as if the whole extent of recycling is municipal type waste. There is some truth to what they say there but they reported on just one narrow aspect of recycling. In other words, they don't really know what their talking about.
 
Mottleydude said:
Yea I watched the part that you posted. In general, I was correct. They don't know much about recycling. They talk as if the whole extent of recycling is municipal type waste. There is some truth to what they say there but they reported on just one narrow aspect of recycling. In other words, they don't really know what their talking about.
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Watch all the parts, it will help.

Your complaint is in this segment of the show they talked about a small portion of it correctly but they didn't go far enough into for you. They go deeper, you should watch the whole of the show.
 
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