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ThatOwlWoman

ThatOwlWoman

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Today's mail brought an interesting -- and very sad -- newsletter from the NYT. A snippet:

"Since Delta began circulating widely in the U.S., Covid has exacted a horrific death toll on red America: In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June, according to Charles Gaba, a health care analyst. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html
 
Since it is currently a pandemic of the Deplorable, should it be called the Republican Virus, RepVir-21 now?
 
Cypress said:
Since it is currently a pandemic of the Deplorable, should it be called the Republican Virus, RepVir-21 now?
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*sigh* At least here in the U.S. that seems to be true. I wish that the author had expanded a bit more on this: "In much of the rest of the world, vaccine attitudes do not break down along right-left lines, and some conservative leaders have responded effectively to Covid. So have a few Republican governors in the U.S. “It didn’t have to be this way,” German Lopez of Vox has written."

That was followed by this truthful and chilling bit: "What distinguishes the U.S. is a conservative party — the Republican Party — that has grown hostile to science and empirical evidence in recent decades. A conservative media complex, including Fox News, Sinclair Broadcast Group and various online outlets, echoes and amplifies this hostility. Trump took the conspiratorial thinking to a new level, but he did not create it.

“With very little resistance from party leaders,” my colleague Lisa Lerer wrote this summer, many Republicans “have elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations from the fringes of American life to the center of our political conversation.”"

Why the difference between Reichwingers here and elsewhere?
 
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The source is the nyt ... so gats ta be tru ... an sinc we be gittin a 'red virus' ... gues we be gittn mo dif vax fo da nu stuf
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
*sigh* At least here in the U.S. that seems to be true. I wish that the author had expanded a bit more on this: "In much of the rest of the world, vaccine attitudes do not break down along right-left lines, and some conservative leaders have responded effectively to Covid. So have a few Republican governors in the U.S. “It didn’t have to be this way,” German Lopez of Vox has written."

That was followed by this truthful and chilling bit: "What distinguishes the U.S. is a conservative party — the Republican Party — that has grown hostile to science and empirical evidence in recent decades. A conservative media complex, including Fox News, Sinclair Broadcast Group and various online outlets, echoes and amplifies this hostility. Trump took the conspiratorial thinking to a new level, but he did not create it.

“With very little resistance from party leaders,” my colleague Lisa Lerer wrote this summer, many Republicans “have elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations from the fringes of American life to the center of our political conversation.”"

Why the difference between Reichwingers here and elsewhere?
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The first thing authoritarians do is train their base supporters to eschew empirical facts and independent media. That gets them accostomed to being trained dogs, only capable of believing propoganda or the Dear Leader.

This is self evident to people like Vladimir Putin and Aleksandr Lukashenko, who do not take covid super seriously either.

Ego and pride gets involved too. Authoritarians are known for that. The Trumposphere spent all the critical months of 2020 claiming COVID was either a hoax, or no worse than the common cold.

It is hard to climb back down from that ledge without admitting your judgement is catastrophically flawed.
 
There isn't the word for this from the human perspective, in biological terms anyway. When the host organism facilitates another organism to kill the host.
It's not parasitic, nor symbiotic. Needs a word.

I got one, covfefe!
 
Grumpy said:
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And the hojo state numbers are ... ???
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Read the OP link. There are numerous graphs in there showing that overall vax rates are highest where Biden won, lowest where #TRE45ON won -- and that the case and death rates closely follow. In other words, the higher the vax rate, the lower the case numbers (and deaths). It's not magic. It is science. Try it sometime.

PS -- You can find the exact same data on numerous other sites since you seem to believe the myth that if the NYT says it, it must be fake news.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Read the OP link. There are numerous graphs in there showing that overall vax rates are highest where Biden won, lowest where #TRE45ON won -- and that the case and death rates closely follow. In other words, the higher the vax rate, the lower the case numbers (and deaths). It's not magic. It is science. Try it sometime.

PS -- You can find the exact same data on numerous other sites since you seem to believe the myth that if the NYT says it, it must be fake news.
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Since you like maps from pro dimlib sites ... here's one for you ...

https://time.com/5800901/coronavirus-map/
 
Cypress said:
The first thing authoritarians do is train their base supporters to eschew empirical facts and independent media. That gets them accostomed to being trained dogs, only capable of believing propoganda or the Dear Leader.

This is self evident to people like Vladimir Putin and Aleksandr Lukashenko, who do not take covid super seriously either.

Ego and pride gets involved too. Authoritarians are known for that. The Trumposphere spent all the critical months of 2020 claiming COVID was either a hoax, or no worse than the common cold.

It is hard to climb back down from that ledge without admitting your judgement is catastrophically flawed.
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what evidence is Putin doesnt take COVID seriously?
I dont know about Lukashenko -other then he's got a migrant crisis on his border
https://tass.com/world/1342779
 
anatta said:
what evidence is Putin doesnt take COVID seriously?
I dont know about Lukashenko -other then he's got a migrant crisis on his border
https://tass.com/world/1342779
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My relatives in Russia say that few people wears masks on the subway, and that because of Putin's pride and xenophobia he is not allowing effective and safe western vaccines into the country in any substantial way, making Russians rely on the homegrown, second tier vaccines currently available.

Russia's innoculation rate also seriously lags well behind Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

Collectively, it is a failure of leadership along Trumpian proportions.
 
Grumpy said:
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The source is the nyt ... so gats ta be tru ... an sinc we be gittin a 'red virus' ... gues we be gittn mo dif vax fo da nu stuf
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Are you going to continue with this, supposedly endearing, babble indefinitely ?
 
Cypress said:
My relatives in Russia say that few people wears masks on the subway, and that because of Putin's pride and xenophobia he is not allowing effective and safe western vaccines into the country in any substantial way, making Russians rely on the homegrown, second tier vaccines currently available.

Russia's innoculation rate also seriously lags well behind Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

Collectively, it is a failure of leadership along Trumpian proportions.
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nice anecdotal -
But it's the Russian people that have vaxx hesitancy. Moscow did develop their own Sputknik vaxx
same as China.. this is from July
https://theconversation.com/russias...ion-reluctant-to-take-domestic-vaccine-165925
During his annual call-in television special, “Direct Line,” in June, President Vladimir Putin revealed that he had received the Sputnik V vaccine, one of the four vaccines available in the country. (The others are EpiVacCorona, CoviVac and the single-dose Sputnik Light.) Putin stressed that all of them are safe.

The Kremlin supports increased immunization among Russians – it has announced a lottery that will give 1,000 winners the equivalent of US$1,350 – but it has refused to introduce a nationwide vaccine mandate.
 
Cypress said:
My relatives in Russia say that few people wears masks on the subway, and that because of Putin's pride and xenophobia he is not allowing effective and safe western vaccines into the country in any substantial way, making Russians rely on the homegrown, second tier vaccines currently available.

Russia's innoculation rate also seriously lags well behind Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

Collectively, it is a failure of leadership along Trumpian proportions.
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Got any stats on death rates there ???
 
anatta said:
nice anecdotal -
But it's the Russian people that have vaxx hesitancy. Moscow did develop their own Sputknik vaxx
same as China.. this is from July
https://theconversation.com/russias...ion-reluctant-to-take-domestic-vaccine-165925
During his annual call-in television special, “Direct Line,” in June, President Vladimir Putin revealed that he had received the Sputnik V vaccine, one of the four vaccines available in the country. (The others are EpiVacCorona, CoviVac and the single-dose Sputnik Light.) Putin stressed that all of them are safe.

The Kremlin supports increased immunization among Russians – it has announced a lottery that will give 1,000 winners the equivalent of US$1,350 – but it has refused to introduce a nationwide vaccine mandate.
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You read Kremlin propaganda.

I communicate with Russian citizens in Moscow and Saint Peter.

It's Putin's job, just like it was Trump's job to make the population aware of the nature and seriousness of the threat and take all steps necessary to protect the nation.
 
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