Red COVID

ThatOwlWoman said:
Today's mail brought an interesting -- and very sad -- newsletter from the NYT. A snippet:

"Since Delta began circulating widely in the U.S., Covid has exacted a horrific death toll on red America: In counties where Donald Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote, the virus has killed about 47 out of every 100,000 people since the end of June, according to Charles Gaba, a health care analyst. In counties where Trump won less than 32 percent of the vote, the number is about 10 out of 100,000."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/briefing/covid-red-states-vaccinations.html
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less than 1%?? they would have died anyway of flu or something else
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
*sigh* At least here in the U.S. that seems to be true. I wish that the author had expanded a bit more on this: "In much of the rest of the world, vaccine attitudes do not break down along right-left lines, and some conservative leaders have responded effectively to Covid. So have a few Republican governors in the U.S. “It didn’t have to be this way,” German Lopez of Vox has written."

That was followed by this truthful and chilling bit: "What distinguishes the U.S. is a conservative party — the Republican Party — that has grown hostile to science and empirical evidence in recent decades. A conservative media complex, including Fox News, Sinclair Broadcast Group and various online outlets, echoes and amplifies this hostility. Trump took the conspiratorial thinking to a new level, but he did not create it.

“With very little resistance from party leaders,” my colleague Lisa Lerer wrote this summer, many Republicans “have elevated falsehoods and doubts about vaccinations from the fringes of American life to the center of our political conversation.”"

Why the difference between Reichwingers here and elsewhere?
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Republicans here are breaking the scales to the right anymore and the real, rare, and breath of fresh air conservatives are center-right by comparison. We need a new Conservative party in this country because republicans aren't cutting it.
 
Jade Dragon said:
Republicans here are breaking the scales to the right anymore and the real, rare, and breath of fresh air conservatives are center-right. We need a new Conservative party in this country because republicans aren't cutting it.
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Once the Republican Party is reduced to only winning local elections in insane right wing counties


The Democratic Party will cleave in two


And the Conservative party will still be the CEOs party


But it will be cleaner for awhile


We need to make it so ONLY individuals can give money in an election

And a cap on that amount


My hubby says they should do like race car drivers


They should be forced to wear corporate sponsors patches on their clothes


So EVERYONE knows who owns them
 
evince said:
Once the Republican Party is reduced to only winning local elections in insane right wing counties


The Democratic Party will cleave in two


And the Conservative party will still be the CEOs party


But it will be cleaner for awhile


We need to make it so ONLY individuals can give money in an election

And a cap on that amount


My hubby says they should do like race car drivers


They should be forced to wear corporate sponsors patches on their clothes


So EVERYONE knows who owns them
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Well, anything's better than this 2 party shitshow. Let the cultists have their own party.
 
Jade Dragon said:
Well, anything's better than this 2 party shitshow. Let the cultists have their own party.
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We will have a two party system either way


It’s the natural cycle of our government system


Third parties with clout get absorbed into one of the major two


People make deals to consolidate like because of like ideas


It’s natural


What the Republican Party has become could NOT EXIST if they could not cheat in elections
 
anatta said:
nice anecdotal -
But it's the Russian people that have vaxx hesitancy. Moscow did develop their own Sputknik vaxx
same as China.. this is from July
https://theconversation.com/russias...ion-reluctant-to-take-domestic-vaccine-165925
During his annual call-in television special, “Direct Line,” in June, President Vladimir Putin revealed that he had received the Sputnik V vaccine, one of the four vaccines available in the country. (The others are EpiVacCorona, CoviVac and the single-dose Sputnik Light.) Putin stressed that all of them are safe.

The Kremlin supports increased immunization among Russians – it has announced a lottery that will give 1,000 winners the equivalent of US$1,350 – but it has refused to introduce a nationwide vaccine mandate.
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Russia is doing about as good as Florida is with COVID because neither took it seriously, and both are trying to cover up the mistakes they made.

But they're not doing a good job.
 
Jade Dragon said:
Republicans here are breaking the scales to the right anymore and the real, rare, and breath of fresh air conservatives are center-right by comparison. We need a new Conservative party in this country because republicans aren't cutting it.
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Counterpoint: We don't need Conservatism at all since it is an ideology rooted in racism and bigotry.
 
Cypress said:
You read Kremlin propaganda.

I communicate with Russian citizens in Moscow and Saint Peter.

It's Putin's job, just like it was Trump's job to make the population aware of the nature and seriousness of the threat and take all steps necessary to protect the nation.
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you've already shown all you believe are dissidents. I multi-source where possible. I notice you do not dispute Vaxx hesitancy is a Russian thing

But the governors are doing the mandates lockdowns. etc. much like we do it here
https://theconversation.com/russias...ion-reluctant-to-take-domestic-vaccine-165925
Regional governments across Russia have launched several efforts to boost vaccinations, mostly to mixed results.

Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has announced that the city will give away five cars every week to vaccinated residents. He also deployed a QR-code system to keep the unvaccinated from indoor restaurants and bars.

But the requirement was later canceled due to technical hiccups and noncompliance from business owners and customers alike.

Most regional governments have recently made vaccinations mandatory in the service, trade, health care and transportation industries, imposing harsh punishments on employers who fail to have at least 60% of workers vaccinated.

And popular tourist destinations such as Sochi, a beach resort city on the Black Sea, have also introduced travel restrictions. The city now requires travelers to prove their vaccination status or to arrive with a negative COVID-19 test.

Although the latest surge in infections has prompted an uptick in jabs, Russia still has a long way to go before life can return to normal. The Kremlin recently admitted it has failed to reach its target of vaccinating at least 60% of Russians by the autumn of 2021.
Widespread vaccine skepticism

Mounting evidence has confirmed the effectiveness of the two-shot Sputnik V vaccine.

Russia has the highest vaccine hesitancy rates in the world. A recent survey shows that 54% of Russians are unwilling to get vaccinated, a level of reluctance that has remained almost unchanged in the past year. Most vaccine detractors say they would refuse to get inoculated under any circumstances or until there are no proven side effects.
 
anatta said:
you've already shown all you believe are dissidents. I multi-source where possible. I notice you do not dispute Vaxx hesitancy is a Russian thing

But the governors are doing the mandates lockdowns. etc. much like we do it here
https://theconversation.com/russias...ion-reluctant-to-take-domestic-vaccine-165925
Regional governments across Russia have launched several efforts to boost vaccinations, mostly to mixed results.

Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin has announced that the city will give away five cars every week to vaccinated residents. He also deployed a QR-code system to keep the unvaccinated from indoor restaurants and bars.

But the requirement was later canceled due to technical hiccups and noncompliance from business owners and customers alike.

Most regional governments have recently made vaccinations mandatory in the service, trade, health care and transportation industries, imposing harsh punishments on employers who fail to have at least 60% of workers vaccinated.

And popular tourist destinations such as Sochi, a beach resort city on the Black Sea, have also introduced travel restrictions. The city now requires travelers to prove their vaccination status or to arrive with a negative COVID-19 test.

Although the latest surge in infections has prompted an uptick in jabs, Russia still has a long way to go before life can return to normal. The Kremlin recently admitted it has failed to reach its target of vaccinating at least 60% of Russians by the autumn of 2021.
Widespread vaccine skepticism

Mounting evidence has confirmed the effectiveness of the two-shot Sputnik V vaccine.

Russia has the highest vaccine hesitancy rates in the world. A recent survey shows that 54% of Russians are unwilling to get vaccinated, a level of reluctance that has remained almost unchanged in the past year. Most vaccine detractors say they would refuse to get inoculated under any circumstances or until there are no proven side effects.
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Do not confuse those that like to exaggerate their worldly knowledge and education with facts. Confuses the hell out of them.
 
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