Red states rely far more on Federal government handouts

floridafan said:
The only "facts" you believe are from right wing sources
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WRONG. I have a higher standard for accepting any data than you do.

I must know the source of the raw data. It must be public.
I must know who collected the data and why.
I must know when the data was collected.
I must know the method by which the data was collected.
I must know the instrumentation used, if any, that was used and when it was last calibrated, and to what standard.

If a summary is presented as data:
I must know the source of the raw data. It must be public.
I must know the steps taken to ensure the raw data is unbiased.
I must know the variance declared and how it was justified.
I must know the selection process used to select the raw data to verity it was by randN.
I must see the calculation work for the margin of error value.
I must see the normalization of the data against a paired randR.
I must see the average accompanied by the margin of error value.

Until ALL of these conditions are satisfied, I do not accept the data. No amount of your whining will change that.
 
Into the Night said:
Taxes do not reduce the debt, dumbass. Socialism is theft of wealth.
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clinton raised taxes mainly on the rich and big corporations in 1993, after reagan/bush had tripled the national debt. the last 4 years of clinton were all surplus, not deficit. you don't know shit and are proud of it.

it is true even clinton did not have enough surplus to reduce the debt, but a surplus is much better than a deficit, AT LEAST HE DID NOT TRIPLE IT LIKE REAGAN OR SKYROCKET IT ON TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH LIKE TRUMP....



https://twitter.com/x/status/1373019830517895171
 
Into the Night said:
WRONG. I have a higher standard for accepting any data than you do.

I must know the source of the raw data. It must be public.
I must know who collected the data and why.
I must know when the data was collected.
I must know the method by which the data was collected.
I must know the instrumentation used, if any, that was used and when it was last calibrated, and to what standard.

If a summary is presented as data:
I must know the source of the raw data. It must be public.
I must know the steps taken to ensure the raw data is unbiased.
I must know the variance declared and how it was justified.
I must know the selection process used to select the raw data to verity it was by randN.
I must see the calculation work for the margin of error value.
I must see the normalization of the data against a paired randR.
I must see the average accompanied by the margin of error value.

Until ALL of these conditions are satisfied, I do not accept the data. No amount of your whining will change that.
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You are just a massive blowhard who doesn't know shit.
 
floridafan said:
What difference is it, my dear. Its the red states sucking at the teat of government. Deal with it.
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Quite a bit of difference.

States can't decide on what military bases and such are put in their state. Those are decided by geography and military need. The same goes for national parks, forests, monuments, and such. BLM lands are determined by how much of a state is federal property. In the West, that can be substantial. For Nevada, it's nearly 90% of the state.
When you tack on to that, federal spending on various programs by corporation, etc., most federal spending isn't something a state can control.

Where states can control some of that spending such as on welfare, all of a sudden it's the Blue states that are getting a lion's share of the cash. New York and California lead the US in welfare spending both state and federal.

So, unless you break down federal spending into non-discretionary and discretionary spending you are propagating a lie.
 
Jarod said:
The OP is absolutely true, does anyone really think Alabama, the most conservative state, could survive without the money from New York and California?
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Their economic desolation being on purpose, this was murder, and our leaderahip class not only did it but then lied about it for decades and even now refuses to either take responsibility or do anything about it, all too often because they are such shit people that they hate the people in Fly Over Country...the message handed down from power is
"Shut up and die!".
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
clinton raised taxes mainly on the rich and big corporations in 1993, after reagan/bush had tripled the national debt. the last 4 years of clinton were all surplus, not deficit. you don't know shit and are proud of it.

it is true even clinton did not have enough surplus to reduce the debt, but a surplus is much better than a deficit, AT LEAST HE DID NOT TRIPLE IT LIKE REAGAN OR SKYROCKET IT ON TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH LIKE TRUMP....
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No one tripled the national debt since FDR.
The government did not run a surplus during the Clinton administration. They were hiding numbers and making others up. There was never any surplus.

Only the House can add to the debt. Presidents do not create budget bills. The national debt has been steadily increasing over the years, regardless of who was President. Wars tend to make it increase faster. Only the House can add to the debt.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude.....California can't survive on the money from California.......
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Heh. Nice observation!

Frankly, if it were up to me, I would shut off all trade with the SOTC. They want to ban internal and external combustion engines. So in my opinion there should be no trucks, no trains, no ships, no cars, no aircraft, no nothing. All shipping into or out of the SOTC would cease. I would also shut off all the power and water being shipped to the SOTC from States like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, and Arizona.

As far as I'm concerned, The SOTC can sit in the dark and gaze at their own navel.

If course, it is not up to me. Black markets will form for banned products and they will be smuggled in by horse if necessary.
 
Into the Night said:
No one tripled the national debt since FDR.
The government did not run a surplus during the Clinton administration. They were hiding numbers and making others up. There was never any surplus.

Only the House can add to the debt. Presidents do not create budget bills. The national debt has been steadily increasing over the years, regardless of who was President. Wars tend to make it increase faster. Only the House can add to the debt.
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you are full of shit. why do you lie all the time. here are the cbo numbers, the official numbers congress uses in a bi-partisan way, of surplus-deficit by president....it is true reagan did not triple the debt, he almost did, check it out-

PRESIDENT YEAR Debt At Start ($) Debt When Leaving Office ($) Debt Change Percentage Total Debt Change ($)

Ronald Reagan 1981–1989 $997,855,000,000 $2,857,430,960,187 186.36% $1,859,575,960,187 (under a trillion when he assumed office, almost 3 trillion when he left. duh)

https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/#total

as far as clinton's 4 budget surpluses-

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.


FULL ANSWER

This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1373571256310710280
 
Into the Night said:
Heh. Nice observation!

Frankly, if it were up to me, I would shut off all trade with the SOTC. They want to ban internal and external combustion engines. So in my opinion there should be no trucks, no trains, no ships, no cars, no aircraft, no nothing. All shipping into or out of the SOTC would cease. I would also shut off all the power and water being shipped to the SOTC from States like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Utah, and Arizona.

As far as I'm concerned, The SOTC can sit in the dark and gaze at their own navel.

If course, it is not up to me. Black markets will form for banned products and they will be smuggled in by horse if necessary.
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yeah, but you voted for trump!! what the fuck do you know, boy?
 
Hoosier Daddy said:
you are full of shit. why do you lie all the time. here are the cbo numbers, the official numbers congress uses in a bi-partisan way, of surplus-deficit by president....it is true reagan did not triple the debt, he almost did, check it out-

PRESIDENT YEAR Debt At Start ($) Debt When Leaving Office ($) Debt Change Percentage Total Debt Change ($)

Ronald Reagan 1981–1989 $997,855,000,000 $2,857,430,960,187 186.36% $1,859,575,960,187 (under a trillion when he assumed office, almost 3 trillion when he left. duh)

https://www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/#total

as far as clinton's 4 budget surpluses-

Q: During the Clinton administration was the federal budget balanced? Was the federal deficit erased?

A: Yes to both questions, whether you count Social Security or not.


FULL ANSWER

This chart, based on historical figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, shows the total deficit or surplus for each fiscal year from 1990 through 2006. Keep in mind that fiscal years begin Oct. 1, so the first year that can be counted as a Clinton year is fiscal 1994. The appropriations bills for fiscal years 1990 through 1993 were signed by Bill Clinton’s predecessor, George H.W. Bush. Fiscal 2002 is the first for which President George W. Bush signed the appropriations bills, and the first to show the effect of his tax cuts.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1373571256310710280
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Random numbers are not official. They are random numbers.
 
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