zappasguitar
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Here we go...
Truth REJECTOR strikes again.
Time for more semantic word games from the CoalTards.
They can't discuss the issue honestly so they attempt to redefine key words so their position seems plausible.
Renewable Energy Sets Record in USA
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Here we go...
Truth REJECTOR strikes again.
Time for more semantic word games from the CoalTards.
They can't discuss the issue honestly so they attempt to redefine key words so their position seems plausible.
zappasguitar
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These are the same dim bulbs who voted for Trump, after all.
zappasguitar
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Silly semantic word games are all the PetroTrolls have.
They've got to play these silly word games or their claims would have been smacked down PAGES ago.
zappasguitar
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None of that changes the fact that BIG OIL benefits from the SUBSIDIES provided.
Quit playing these silly word games and admit the truth.
zappasguitar
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Still stuck on stupid I see.
Well, whenever one "debates" the Truth Rejector, stupid is a good place to start.
After all, "stupid" is where most of his "ideas" arise from, and "stupid" is the language Truth Rejector speaks best.
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Big deal, do you know something that National Geographic don't, shit for brains?
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zappasguitar
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Thank you for demonstrating the ignorance of your statement.
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If you expect me to show you any respect after what you said then you're sadly deluded.
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Up to June last year the total value of wind subsidies amounted to $176 billion to the biggest players. That is a fuckton of moolah, it is a truly classic example of crony capitalism.
"It takes enormous amounts of taxpayer cash to make wind energy seem affordable.
Last month, during its annual conference, the American Wind Energy Association issued a press release trumpeting the growth of wind-energy capacity. It quoted the association’s CEO, Tom Kiernan, who declared that the wind business is “an American success story.”
There’s no doubt that wind-energy capacity has grown substantially in recent years. But that growth has been fueled not by consumer demand, but by billions of dollars’ worth of taxpayer money. According to data from Subsidy Tracker — a database maintained by Good Jobs First, a Washington, D.C.–based organization that promotes “corporate and government accountability in economic development and smart growth for working families” — the total value of the subsidies given to the biggest players in the U.S. wind industry is now $176 billion.
That sum includes all local, state, and federal subsidies as well as federal loans and loan guarantees received by companies on the American Wind Energy Association’s board of directors since 2000. (Most of the federal grants have been awarded since 2007.) Of the $176 billion provided to the wind-energy sector, $2.9 billion came from local and state governments; $9.4 billion came from federal grants and tax credits; and $163.9 billion was provided in the form of federal loans or loan guarantees.
General Electric — the biggest wind-turbine maker in North America — has a seat on AWEA’s board. It has received $1.6 billion in local, state, and federal subsidies and $159 billion in federal loans and loan guarantees. (It’s worth noting that General Electric got into the wind business in 2002 after it bought Enron Wind, a company that helped pioneer the art of renewable-energy rent-seeking.)
NextEra Energy, the largest wind-energy producer in the U.S., has received about 50 grants and tax credits from local, state, and federal entities as well as federal loans and loan guarantees worth $5.5 billion. That’s more than what the veteran crony capitalist Elon Musk has garnered. Last year the Los Angeles Times’s Jerry Hirsch reported that Musk’s companies — Tesla Motors, Solar City, and Space Exploration Technologies — have collected subsidies worth $4.9 billion. NextEra’s haul is also more than what was collected by such energy giants as BP ($315 million) and Chevron ($2.2 billion).
About $6.8 billion in subsidies, loans, and loan guarantees went to foreign corporations, including Iberdrola, Siemens, and E.On. Those three companies, and five other foreign companies, have seats on AWEA’s board of directors.
Many of the companies on the AWEA board will be collecting even more federal subsidies over the next few years. In December, the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the latest renewal of the production tax credit will cost U.S. taxpayers about $3.1 billion per year from now until 2019. That subsidy pays wind-energy companies $23 for each megawatt-hour of electricity they produce.
That’s an astounding level of subsidy. In 2014 and 2015, according to the Energy Information Administration, during times of peak demand, the average wholesale price of electricity was about $50 per megawatt-hour. Last winter in Texas, peak wholesale electricity prices averaged $21 per megawatt hour. Thus, on the national level, wind-energy subsidies are worth nearly half the cost of wholesale power, and in the Texas market, those subsidies can actually exceed the wholesale price of electricity. Of course, wind-energy boosters like to claim that the oil-and-gas sector gets favorable tax treatment, too. That may be so, but those tax advantages are tiny when compared with the federal gravy being ladled on wind companies. Recall that the production tax credit is $23 per megawatt-hour. A megawatt-hour of electricity contains 3.4 million Btu. That means wind-energy producers are getting a subsidy of $6.76 per million Btu. The current spot price of natural gas is about $2.40 per million Btu. Thus, on an energy-equivalent basis, wind energy’s subsidy is nearly three times the current market price of natural gas."
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sidies-billions-and-billions-your-tax-dollars
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"It takes enormous amounts of taxpayer cash to make wind energy seem affordable.
Last month, during its annual conference, the American Wind Energy Association issued a press release trumpeting the growth of wind-energy capacity. It quoted the association’s CEO, Tom Kiernan, who declared that the wind business is “an American success story.”
There’s no doubt that wind-energy capacity has grown substantially in recent years. But that growth has been fueled not by consumer demand, but by billions of dollars’ worth of taxpayer money. According to data from Subsidy Tracker — a database maintained by Good Jobs First, a Washington, D.C.–based organization that promotes “corporate and government accountability in economic development and smart growth for working families” — the total value of the subsidies given to the biggest players in the U.S. wind industry is now $176 billion.
That sum includes all local, state, and federal subsidies as well as federal loans and loan guarantees received by companies on the American Wind Energy Association’s board of directors since 2000. (Most of the federal grants have been awarded since 2007.) Of the $176 billion provided to the wind-energy sector, $2.9 billion came from local and state governments; $9.4 billion came from federal grants and tax credits; and $163.9 billion was provided in the form of federal loans or loan guarantees.
General Electric — the biggest wind-turbine maker in North America — has a seat on AWEA’s board. It has received $1.6 billion in local, state, and federal subsidies and $159 billion in federal loans and loan guarantees. (It’s worth noting that General Electric got into the wind business in 2002 after it bought Enron Wind, a company that helped pioneer the art of renewable-energy rent-seeking.)
NextEra Energy, the largest wind-energy producer in the U.S., has received about 50 grants and tax credits from local, state, and federal entities as well as federal loans and loan guarantees worth $5.5 billion. That’s more than what the veteran crony capitalist Elon Musk has garnered. Last year the Los Angeles Times’s Jerry Hirsch reported that Musk’s companies — Tesla Motors, Solar City, and Space Exploration Technologies — have collected subsidies worth $4.9 billion. NextEra’s haul is also more than what was collected by such energy giants as BP ($315 million) and Chevron ($2.2 billion).
About $6.8 billion in subsidies, loans, and loan guarantees went to foreign corporations, including Iberdrola, Siemens, and E.On. Those three companies, and five other foreign companies, have seats on AWEA’s board of directors.
Many of the companies on the AWEA board will be collecting even more federal subsidies over the next few years. In December, the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the latest renewal of the production tax credit will cost U.S. taxpayers about $3.1 billion per year from now until 2019. That subsidy pays wind-energy companies $23 for each megawatt-hour of electricity they produce.
That’s an astounding level of subsidy. In 2014 and 2015, according to the Energy Information Administration, during times of peak demand, the average wholesale price of electricity was about $50 per megawatt-hour. Last winter in Texas, peak wholesale electricity prices averaged $21 per megawatt hour. Thus, on the national level, wind-energy subsidies are worth nearly half the cost of wholesale power, and in the Texas market, those subsidies can actually exceed the wholesale price of electricity. Of course, wind-energy boosters like to claim that the oil-and-gas sector gets favorable tax treatment, too. That may be so, but those tax advantages are tiny when compared with the federal gravy being ladled on wind companies. Recall that the production tax credit is $23 per megawatt-hour. A megawatt-hour of electricity contains 3.4 million Btu. That means wind-energy producers are getting a subsidy of $6.76 per million Btu. The current spot price of natural gas is about $2.40 per million Btu. Thus, on an energy-equivalent basis, wind energy’s subsidy is nearly three times the current market price of natural gas."
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sidies-billions-and-billions-your-tax-dollars
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Once energy is consumed, it is gone. That's it
Using ANOTHER soybean doesn't make it renewable.
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So what about the conservation of energy law?
In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant—it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.
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In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant—it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.
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sorry.....in phrasing my argument I failed to take your ignorance into account........"renewable energy" refers to the fact that its source is renewable.......
zappasguitar
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The term "renewable" refers to the SOURCE from which the energy is derived.
DUH!
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well then fossil fuels are renewable are they not? using that definition anyway.
but hey, you keep believing
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well then fossil fuels are renewable are they not? using that definition anyway.
but hey, you keep believing
There really isn't a reason to be intellectually dishonest about it, unless you're just trying to troll.
You definitely know what 'renewable' means when it comes to alternatives vs. fossil fuels.
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You are the ones using the term. It doesn't appear any of you can agree on the definition.
You can't renew energy. Once it is consumed it is converted into other forms. It can't be repackaged and "renewed".
Zipperhead and PMP both said that "renewable" means the source is replaced. Well, that also applies to fossil fuels. Natural gas, oil and coal can be replaced. They are being produced all the time. Unless of course you believe that they are really dinosaur bones?
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Enough. You're being willfully ignorant, or just trolling.
Fossil fuels - based on how they are consumed, and how they are produced - are a finite resource. Period.
Wind, solar, tidal & the rest are considered sustainable, because they are not finite.
Just stop. Your trolling on this is lacking intelligence & is counterproductive. As far as I'm concerned, you can drill as much as you want - here, there & everywhere. And that will be fine for awhile, but not for more than another generation.