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Does he have a Ramadan message for the people of Afganistan?
Maybe "We love our muslim brothers, and here are some more armed troops to prove it"?
Maybe "We love our muslim brothers, and here are some more armed troops to prove it"?
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The President's outreach is part of a respectful dialogue with Muslims that began on inauguration day and will continue.
President Obama will change opinions of America in the Muslim world with peaceful diplomacy rather than the racially-motivated hate, torture and destruction of the Bush regime.
http://www.america.gov/ramadan.html
President Obama will change opinions of America in the Muslim world with peaceful diplomacy rather than the racially-motivated hate, torture and destruction of the Bush regime.
http://www.america.gov/ramadan.html
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President Obama is very popular in the Islamic world. In Egypt, they're even naming the best dates of the year in his honor.
it is appropriate and necessary for Americans to recognize the observance of Ramadan to express the deep respect we feel for Muslims.
it is appropriate and necessary for Americans to recognize the observance of Ramadan to express the deep respect we feel for Muslims.
From what I understand, americans tend to confuse regional cultural practices, with muslim practices.
Honor killings, as I understand it, are a cultural pheneomena of the middle east, and south asia. It's not a phenomena of islam. Islam is not the causal reason for it. There are historical, regional, and socio-economic reasons for it.
I really don't think there is a history of honor killings among southeast asian muslims, muslims of the balkans, or american black muslims.
Honor killings are, as I understand it, a function of societies that participate in, and sustain extreme patriarchy. Cultures, that historically have relegated women to second class status. And that's often tied to history and culture, not religion. Its a gender issue, not a religion issue. As far as I'm aware, culture where women have at least a nominal equality to men in socio-economic status do not expericence the phenomena of honor killings. And that includes muslim nations. I don't think honor killings really happen in any measureable way in Turkey or Malaysia, or Kosovo - muslim countries where women have at least some social and economic power.
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It's probably a waste of time to attempt to educate hate-filled racists.
It's a good thing they don't represent America to other cultures now that we have a real president.
It's a good thing they don't represent America to other cultures now that we have a real president.
Sammy Jankis
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No. Islam is a very sexist religion. Americans are confusing nothing.
You will bend over backwards to explain away muslim atrocity, even to the point of confusing yourself into a state of retardation.
Sammy Jankis
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Read, you dumb deluded shits.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm
Question:
Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?
Summary Answer:
Absolutely. The only debatable point is by what degree.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists have sometimes creatively tried to explain why a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's under Islamic law (based on this verse) while still attempting to maintain the semblance of equality. Unfortunately for them, studies consistently show that women are less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses in any court - were it not for Islam's obvious sexism.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.
Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"
Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."
Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.
Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/010-women-worth-less.htm
Question:
Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?
Summary Answer:
Absolutely. The only debatable point is by what degree.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176).
Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists have sometimes creatively tried to explain why a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's under Islamic law (based on this verse) while still attempting to maintain the semblance of equality. Unfortunately for them, studies consistently show that women are less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses in any court - were it not for Islam's obvious sexism.
Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"
Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).
Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.
Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).
Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four"
Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.
Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"
Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.
Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).
Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing that a woman brings to a marriage is between her legs.
Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.
Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'"
Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."
Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.
Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.
Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting.
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Cypress, you are ruining the fun of messing with the troll.
Just because others commit atrocities is no excuse for us to do so.
I hold myself and my nation to a higher standard!
Christianity does the same, just maybe to a different degree.
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And because we hold ourselves to a higher standard we should think we will be a stain for centuries while the atrocities of others go unmentioned?
Kinda slanted outlook there, wouldn't you say?
Look, I have no problem busting Bush's chops for his insanity. But to post that we will be living it down for centuries is so off the wall as to be ridiculous. And to pretend that we should be begging forgiveness and ignoring the barbaric behavior of other is beyond stupid.
Bust Bush & Chaney for what they did and where they took us. But don't pretend all the guilt lies in our lap.
Sammy Jankis
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this isn't about christianity. Can you ever talk about traits of Islam without reflexively talking about christianity? Are you retarded?
Sammy Jankis
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It amazes me how these brain dead libs will proclaim with certainty that Islam is x or islam is Y without even doing ONE search to verify their claims.
All that shit IS in the koran. SO shut up, idiotchildren.
All that shit IS in the koran. SO shut up, idiotchildren.
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has anyone ever considered the mathematical certainty that if you add Jarod to Asshat you come up with .275 women?......
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No wonder many Muslims resent us.
ArmorGroup North America's Bush-era contract allowed Bushco's private security thugs to exercise the kind of behavior that offends our hosts.
Another GOP mess for President Obama to clear up.
ArmorGroup North America's Bush-era contract allowed Bushco's private security thugs to exercise the kind of behavior that offends our hosts.
Another GOP mess for President Obama to clear up.