Repealing Socialist Obamacare - 58% Support

KingCondanomation

KingCondanomation

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This is absolutely the number one thing Republicans and any sane economic Conservative needs to run on, repealing this terrible freedom restricting and debt adding welfaristic bill.

"Three weeks after Congress passed its new national health care plan, support for repeal of the measure has risen four points to 58%. That includes 50% of U.S. voters who strongly favor repeal."
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._events/healthcare/march_2010/health_care_law

The push is on and won't stop until repealing it in 2012! Americans just will not accept being forced to be dependent on government at the expense of debt to their children any more.
 
Rasmussen...possibly the most accurate pollers in the last two or three presidential elections. But Fox news uses them so they must be scewd right. :)
 
leaningright said:
Rasmussen...possibly the most accurate pollers in the last two or three presidential elections. But Fox news uses them so they must be scewd right. :)
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This argument breaks out every time the results of a Rasmussen poll are posted. Rasmussen uses a likely voter model that favors traditionally Republican voters and tightens up their likely voter model as elections near to produce ultimately accurate election poll results.
 
NigelTufnel said:
It is generally a bad idea to run on something that you have no way to deliver.
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Why can't it be delivered in 2012?
You will lose the house this year with your insane spending and the presidency and senate by 2012.

It WILL be repealed. Most of you on the left seem to keep forgetting that the reason the Repubs lost was because of too much spending, THOSE swing voters are not interested in your even more bad spending.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Why can't it be delivered in 2012?
You will lose the house this year with your insane spending and the presidency and senate by 2012.

It WILL be repealed. Most of you on the left seem to keep forgetting that the reason the Repubs lost was because of too much spending, THOSE swing voters are not interested in your even more bad spending.
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"Vote for me because I'll do something after the next election if a Republican happens to wins the presidency" isn't a very good pitch.

And I don't think too much spending was really the problem that voters had with Republicans. Rather, it is the fact that they fucked everything up. And royally.
 
NigelTufnel said:
"Vote for me because I'll do something after the next election if a Republican happens to wins the presidency" isn't a very good pitch.
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No it's not, that's a very stupid pitch and good thing you are in law and not marketing. Here's a better one: "Vote for me because we will work to put an end to irresponsible spending, get our skyrocketing debt under control and get back healthcare to being under the control of you and your doctor and not Obama and the government".
Nobody really cares for specific scenarios of how likely something is in the near term and after 2010 when Obama and Dems look like they are blocking the repeal of the healthcare bill, they will only help build momentum to last til 2012 for the repeal.

NigelTufnel said:
And I don't think too much spending was really the problem that voters had with Republicans. Rather, it is the fact that they fucked everything up. And royally.
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Swing voters dummy, not left wing Liberals who have zero chance of ever voting Repub, even the disingenuous ones like Cypress and Mottley who pretend that "if only the Republican Party would go back to what it was then we would consider it".
Try getting out a little. Leftwing Mass is not a very good gauge for the mood of mainstream America, although even there a Repub got in to get rid of your shitty freedom restricting and high spending so called "healthcare reform".
 
Rasmussen skews right because they have two basically two different likely voter screens.

I have three main points

1. 58% isn't much different than what Rasmussen was polling against before it passed.

2. The four point rise is transitory and within the margin of error. It's not a trend because it could still be poll noise.

3. Republicans aren't going to get 2/3 of both houses and Obama is going to win in 2012. This is the new American reality.
 
Bittermark said:
Rasmussen skews right because they have two basically two different likely voter screens.

I have three main points

1. 58% isn't much different than what Rasmussen was polling against before it passed.

2. The four point rise is transitory and within the margin of error. It's not a trend because it could still be poll noise.

3. Republicans aren't going to get 2/3 of both houses and Obama is going to win in 2012. This is the new American reality.
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We don't need 2/3rds to repeal it. Many Dems may want to repeal it once they've seen the consequences for the rest.
 
KingCondanomation said:
We don't need 2/3rds to repeal it. Many Dems may want to repeal it once they've seen the consequences for the rest.
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I haven't thought of this before, but you're right. when the Democrats get a terrible ass whooping in November the one's who will have survived will be the ones who didn't vote for Obamacare and the stragglers who did will be shitting their pants in fear of 2012. We may have enough to override a veto right then and there.

This and your other both excellent points. :good4u:
 
KingCondanomation said:
We don't need 2/3rds to repeal it. Many Dems may want to repeal it once they've seen the consequences for the rest.
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Give people a choice between a fake Republican and a real one and they'll choose the real one every time. You're not going to win either house in 2010, and we're going to retain the presidency and have gains in 2012.
 
DonQuixote said:
you mean like 67%

i will not say not possible but how about bloody unlikely
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If the Republicans win all seats up in 2012 they're not going to get 67% in 2010. Repeal is an impossible nightmare Republicans want to burden the American people with, and aren't going to be able to.
 
Conservatives need to run on a Balanced Budget Amendment and a Sunshine Law Amendment, then actually work towards it wholeheartedly. If they can show that they couldn't deliver on this because of opposition, they'll win again in 2012. If they don't do what they say, they'll lose. If they deliver because of the small number of Ds that agree with them crossing the line to deliver the Amendment for ratification of the states, they'll still win in 2012.

If they draft it right (not against the bill, but against reckless spending and stupid prognostication based on wild deliberate assumptions that have zero chance of happening), a reconstruction of the current health care bill will be necessary, flatly you cannot pretend that the CBO "reports" anything close to accurate when they must (it is quite literally how they were created) believe in any wishful assumption listed by the legislators submitting it to them.
 
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