Reply from a soldier on debate and Gays in the military.

Socrtease

Socrtease

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This was a reply posted on CNN's website after the debate. It was very interesting and from my experience in the Army very typical.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/29/ireport.debate/index.html#cnnSTCText

Anonymous from Washington
I am a lieutenant in the U.S. Army. I served as a platoon leader, and am now working at the battalion level and am about to make the rank of captain. I ask that you not use my name because I am active duty. In response to the candidates' remarks on gays in the military, not a single one will get my vote. Sen. McCain said he has talked to the leaders in the Army, the generals. These are not the people to talk to on this issue; the people to talk to are the lieutenants, the captains and the sergeants. They are the ones who serve with these soldiers. They are the ones who see how these soldiers serve. Openly gay soldiers should not be discriminated against. They do not damage morale; they do not damage the ability of a unit to fight. Years ago, the ability of women to fight was questioned, yet now we are in a war where there is no battle line, everywhere is the front line. I've lost friends both on the FOB and outside, both men AND women.
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When I was stationed in Germany, one of the NCO's accidentally walked into the wrong barracks room. Granted the door should have been locked but it wasn't. When she did she walked in on two other NCO's, both women, having sex. The rumor mill went crazy. When it came down to disciplining the two women, our battalion commander, a Lt. Col., said that he was not going to lose two exceptional analysts because of who they chose to sleep with on a Saturday night. That was the end of it.
 
That is a great response! The current rules are absurd especially in this day and age. Although, I might not be too keen on changing them. Its nice to know that people have an out of the military given the fact that congress and our president are certifiable and hellbent on screwing us over at every opportunity.
 
Whats your point...........?

Socrtease said:
This was a reply posted on CNN's website after the debate. It was very interesting and from my experience in the Army very typical.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/29/ireport.debate/index.html#cnnSTCText

When I was stationed in Germany, one of the NCO's accidentally walked into the wrong barracks room. Granted the door should have been locked but it wasn't. When she did she walked in on two other NCO's, both women, having sex. The rumor mill went crazy. When it came down to disciplining the two women, our battalion commander, a Lt. Col., said that he was not going to lose two exceptional analysts because of who they chose to sleep with on a Saturday night. That was the end of it.
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The don't ask don't tell policy is working...these two NCOs were not advertising their preference...they were walked in on accidentally...the LTC made a correct decision!
 
Battleborne said:
The don't ask don't tell policy is working...these two NCOs were not advertising their preference...they were walked in on accidentally...the LTC made a correct decision!
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your a moron...do you know that every one of our allies have gays serving openly in the military, and yes that includes britian... do you think when an American soilder asks if he needs back up from a british bloke he asks where he puts his meat??

the british, french german all militarys work fine as well... the us saudi arabia and turkey are the only army's who have this absurd rule.

it doesn't work also BB since we have compromised our security by throwing out trained linguists in arabic and other languages who are in high demand due to don't ask don't tell.
 
They do not want to allow homosexuality in the military because they do not want the men to be too loyal to each other. They must serve their civilian masters first, not their lovers.
 
Sorry..............

Robdawg said:
your a moron...do you know that every one of our allies have gays serving openly in the military, and yes that includes britian... do you think when an American soilder asks if he needs back up from a british bloke he asks where he puts his meat??

the british, french german all militarys work fine as well... the us saudi arabia and turkey are the only army's who have this absurd rule.

it doesn't work also BB since we have compromised our security by throwing out trained linguists in arabic and other languages who are in high demand due to don't ask don't tell.
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But don't ask don't tell is not over the top...no one says you can't be gay...just keep it outta the workplace and a private matter...and frankly I do not care what Israel or Britan allows...I live in the USA...and did you serve in the military along with asshat?...I think not...easy making comments without actually serving...have a nice run though!
 
AssHatZombie said:
They do not want to allow homosexuality in the military because they do not want the men to be too loyal to each other. They must serve their civilian masters first, not their lovers.
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they allow married couples to serve openly.
 
Battleborne said:
But don't ask don't tell is not over the top...no one says you can't be gay...just keep it outta the workplace and a private matter...and frankly I do not care what Israel or Britan allows...I live in the USA...and did you serve in the military along with asshat?...I think not...easy making comments without actually serving...have a nice run though!
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keep your heterosexuality out of the workplace!
 
But it is ok to be openly heterosexual in the military. Shouldn't ALL sexualty remain out of the workplace? I can just see reprimanding infantrymen for talking openly on monday morning about the conquests of the weekend. Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander.
 
Sure they are free...........

Socrtease said:
But it is ok to be openly heterosexual in the military. Shouldn't ALL sexualty remain out of the workplace? I can just see reprimanding infantrymen for talking openly on monday morning about the conquests of the weekend. Sauce for the Goose is Sauce for the Gander.
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to exchange these comments amongst themselves...i'm sorry but I am also against Gay Marriage for the same reasons...and by the way I would not have even thought about my conquest being brought to the attention of a gay or straight soldier...somehow I would hope /believe he or she could care less...anymore push for the Loggies?
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LadyT said:
Are you insinuating that you only have a problem with domestic partners being in the same unit?
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I'm saying, though all is fair in love and war, love and war do not mix. Lovers should not be fighting side by side, it compromises the mission as their priorities are skewed on the field and they may take risks which are off purpose.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I'm saying, though all is fair in love and war, love and war do not mix. Lovers should not be fighting side by side, it compromises the mission as their priorities are skewed on the field and they may take risks which are off purpose.
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So then you don't really have a problem with gays in the military then right? As long as their "lovers" aren't in their units this imaginary skewing of priorities won't happen.
 
LadyT said:
So then you don't really have a problem with gays in the military then right? As long as their "lovers" aren't in their units this imaginary skewing of priorities won't happen.
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But with the way men are, they will all be Mr. Right Nows. If you can't be....with the one you love.....love the one you're with.
 
What's interesting is that there is nothing different about republican candidates, with the exception of Paul. The rest of them all trumpet the same policies of Bush and hang onto these really dumb "value" issues that are meaningless, even in the face of homosexuality and near rampant divorce and infedelity in their own ranks.

Then they all present themselves as candidates of "change"
 
Neo-con thinking: If it's icky, keep it as far away from me as possible. They view gays as pieces of shit. You can shit, but keep it out of their view, and don't go rubbing it in their face with marraige and fighting their wars for them, because they don't want to see gays function as regular human beings. They prefer to view them as shit.
 
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