APP - Report: NASA can't keep up with killer asteroids

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Detecting killer asteroids is a purely national security issue, but I don't think you could expand that to the rest of NASA (besides, maybe, the national pride that the program gave us during the cold war, which is really a ridiculously far out argument to make).

 

[Epicurus]

I would think that the general welfare cause allowed the interstate system?

It would have great military usage during an invasion, but that was definitely just a afterthought to the massive domestic benefits of the system.

That was the argument for enacting it, but it was pretty much tongue in cheek. Everyone knew that there was little chance of such an occurrence. And I think it's debatable but fair to say that it might have been allowed by the General Welfare or Interstate Commerce clauses, but that's not how it was proposed. Of course all of this is rather academic now since both clauses have been stretched beyond recognition to allow absolutely anything that a politician needs to pander to his constituency.

 

[Damocles]

It is an unintended expansion of that power in the way that the Eisenhower interstate system was. Both have pretty inarguably turned out well for America, but that does not negate the fact that these were not roles that the Founding Fathers proscribed for the federal government. They are at best distant cousins of national security.

I cannot see how it is a "distant cousin" please elaborate. Other nations directly weaponize space and use it for espionage, directly combating such actions is directly (not second cousin) national security.

 

[DamnYankee]

Back to the point - the argument that healthcare isn't explicitly listed in the constitution as one of the duties of the federal government and therefore the federal government can't do healthcare, is totally fucking retarded.

What's retarded is bringing up the issue of health care in every possible debate. Buy your own health care you cheap bastard and STFU about it.

 

[Epicurus]

What other nation has "directly weaponized" space besides ourselves? We are the only non-signatory to the space weapons ban.

 

[Epicurus]

Back to the point - the argument that healthcare isn't explicitly listed in the constitution as one of the duties of the federal government and therefore the federal government can't do healthcare, is totally fucking retarded.

This is completely off subject, but just to humor you I'd be curious to hear why you think the concept of obeying the Constitution's limits on the enumerated powers of the federal government is "totally fucking retarded".

If anything, it is your view that requires considerable explanation/tapdancing.

 

[DamnYankee]

I would think that the general welfare cause allowed the interstate system?

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Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 7: "To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"

 

[Cancel5]

However National Defense is one of the enumerated powers of a Federal Government, and your argument is fallacious. Do you know the history of national park creation?

Roosevelt's name comes to mind, but beyond that, my mind isn't conjuring, anything, else.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Back to the point - the argument that healthcare isn't explicitly listed in the constitution as one of the duties of the federal government and therefore the federal government can't do healthcare, is totally fucking retarded.

whats totally retarded is trying to attach powers to a federal government that they aren't granted.

what specifically enumerated power would give congress the power to regulate health care? it's not general welfare. It's not commerce, unless you wish to support gonzalez v. raich.

It's a power delegated solely to the state, if the people of that state decide it to be.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Something as direct as this doesn't even compare to "other" expansion. And of course it is my opinion. It would be foolish to ignore threats from space, especially human threats. National Security is definitely one of the original powers outlined in the constitution.

national security, in my opinion, is certainly a coverage of NASA, if only to use satelites for monitoring oceans and borders for military manuevers from other nations.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 7: "To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"

Post office = socialism

OUR FOUNDERS WERE SOCIALISTS!

The interstate system isn't really a post road. It's at least not built with that in mind as anything resembling it's primary purpose; the system would be a lot simpler if it were just for post offices.

 

[Cancel5]

national security, in my opinion, is certainly a coverage of NASA, if only to use satelites for monitoring oceans and borders for military manuevers from other nations.

The nation that controls space controls the future, was that one of Reagan's quotes?

Magnetism, that is scary.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

national security, in my opinion, is certainly a coverage of NASA, if only to use satelites for monitoring oceans and borders for military manuevers from other nations.

But it doesn't cover scientific research.

 

[Damocles]

What other nation has "directly weaponized" space besides ourselves? We are the only non-signatory to the space weapons ban.

Yeah, and that makes it so that the USSR (now Russia) would never do that. No nation has ever in history signed a treaty and then clandestinely violated it...



And how many nations do you know that use spy satellites and satellite killers? Do you know the capacity of these satellites for use as over the horizon targeting?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Post office = socialism

OUR FOUNDERS WERE SOCIALISTS!

The interstate system isn't really a post road. It's at least not built with that in mind as anything resembling it's primary purpose; the system would be a lot simpler if it were just for post offices.

the interstate highway system was originally planned under national security, which was crap, but should have been done under the commerce clause since that's what it's mainly used for.

 

[Damocles]

But it doesn't cover scientific research.

This is depending on what you aim the research has. Other nations use such research to build bigger and better weapons, it is unrealistic to say we should sit and do nothing in that direction.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

But it doesn't cover scientific research.

and it shouldn't. privately financed scientific research has always been proven to be more economically sound and generally produces better quality technology

 

[ib1yysguy]

This is completely off subject, but just to humor you I'd be curious to hear why you think the concept of obeying the Constitution's limits on the enumerated powers of the federal government is "totally fucking retarded".

If anything, it is your view that requires considerable explanation/tapdancing.

It's the tyranny of dead ideas. Without spending any real time on this (because you'll never convince someone who fetishizes the constitution that it maybe wasn't the most perfect document ever written), I'll leave it at saying I could point out probably a hundred different programs modern America couldn't live without right now that would take some serious "tap dancing" to show how the feds had the power to ever do them granted in the constitution.

We've mentioned a couple here already.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

and it shouldn't. privately financed scientific research has always been proven to be more economically sound and generally produces better quality technology

Source?

I know private sources are far better funded.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It's the tyranny of dead ideas. Without spending any real time on this (because you'll never convince someone who fetishizes the constitution that it maybe wasn't the most perfect document ever written)

The constitution was written with the intent of limiting government power as much as possible, keeping a free people with their freedom. somewhere along the lines, that got to be too scary for liberals.