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[apple0154]

that doesn't answer my question. IF the FDA and USDA are entities responsible for ensuring we have safe food to buy at grocery stores, what happens to the FDA/USDA when E coli outbreaks occur?

In msg #15 you asked,

if a company that is regulated by the FDA or the USDA sells a product that is later determined to be 'out of regulation', or modified, does the USDA or FDA incur a penalty of any kind?

and I replied the product is recalled. Why would the USDA or FDA incur any penalty?

Do the Police incur a penalty if a person breaks the law?

 

[apple0154]

so 1 or 100 people could die, and the USDA/FDA secretary gets to tell congress that their budget had been cut so they were short on personnel and if you don't want things like this to happen again, just give us more money........and that's it?

so what benefit do we get from them again?

What is your point? If the Police budget is cut and there are fewer Police then crime is likely to rise. Do we blame the Police for an increase in theft?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

so 1 or 100 people could die, and the USDA/FDA secretary gets to tell congress that their budget had been cut so they were short on personnel and if you don't want things like this to happen again, just give us more money........and that's it? so what benefit do we get from them again?

Who said that, Mister Strawman? Product liability laws are not changed because you hate the government.

Educate yourself:

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Slides_092906_DBabcock.pdf


http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aer799/aer799.pdf

 

[SmarterthanYou]

In msg #15 you asked, and I replied the product is recalled. Why would the USDA or FDA incur any penalty?

Do the Police incur a penalty if a person breaks the law?

jeez, you almost got it.

If we fund agencies to make us safer and they fail in that responsibility, why would they NOT be fined or punished for their failure?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Who said that, Mister Strawman? Product liability laws are not changed because you hate the government.

Educate yourself:

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Slides_092906_DBabcock.pdf


http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aer799/aer799.pdf

so much asshattery.

what good is the agency if it doesn't prevent those deaths?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

so much asshattery. what good is the agency if it doesn't prevent those deaths?

So you think The Defense Department should be held liable if we get in a war? Or maybe the Department of State?

Perhaps the Labor Department is to blame for layoffs?

Is that your argument?

 

[apple0154]

jeez, you almost got it.

If we fund agencies to make us safer and they fail in that responsibility, why would they NOT be fined or punished for their failure?

So are you suggesting a fine or some other punishment for the Police when a crime occurs? I suppose we could all wear those felon bracelets or have microchips so the Police can keep an eye on our whereabouts at all times.

 

[apple0154]

so much asshattery.

what good is the agency if it doesn't prevent those deaths?

The same reason we have Police. The agencies you mention reduce the number of deaths.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So you think The Defense Department should be held liable if we get in a war? Or maybe the Department of State?

Perhaps the Labor Department is to blame for layoffs?

Is that your argument?

your either being very obtuse, or just plain stupid.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

your either being very obtuse, or just plain stupid.

Maybe you could explain your premise more clearly, then.

 

[Damocles]

So are you suggesting a fine or some other punishment for the Police when a crime occurs? I suppose we could all wear those felon bracelets or have microchips so the Police can keep an eye on our whereabouts at all times.

Wow, so you ignore the fact that STY fights against the police state to post this?

Do you believe that when government entities fail they should be rewarded with more of our tax dollars?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Wow, so you ignore the fact that STY fights against the police state to post this? Do you believe that when government entities fail they should be rewarded with more of our tax dollars?

LOL.

STFs' valiant fight against the police state is conducted from behind a keyboard...and he seems to be saying that if a case of food poisoning occurs, FDA or USDA should pay a fine.

Whose money would they pay it with?

Another thing...is it governments' role to "prevent" injury or death in cases of product liability?

If so, then I suppose if you get mugged, the police department and the FBI should be "punished".

 

[Damocles]

LOL.

STFs' valiant fight against the police state is conducted from behind a keyboard...and he seems to be saying that if a case of food poisoning occurs, FDA or USDA should pay a fine.

Whose money would they pay it with?

Another thing...is it governments' role to "prevent" injury or death in cases of product liability?

If so, then I suppose if you get mugged, the police department and the FBI should be "punished".

So you believe that expressing ideas in the court of public opinion is irrelevant in a democracy?

Also, do you know what STY does to live what he believes, or do you just assume that your ad hom attacks are "facts" when it comes to this?

Basically, this is like some other person just saying you live in your mom's basement, then posting that "fact" all the time.

If you want to be treated with respect, it behooves you to provide some respect of your own, or does it matter to you that most here think of you as "legion troll"?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

So you believe that expressing ideas in the court of public opinion is irrelevant in a democracy?

In SmarterThanFews' case, yes. BTW, we live in a representative Republic.

Also, do you know what STY does to live what he believes, or do you just assume that your ad hom attacks are "facts" when it comes to this?

I only know what he claims. If the "police state" were as repressive as he says it is and he was as "revolutionary" as he claims to be, he'd be in jail. He's not. Draw your own conclusions.

Basically, this is like some other person just saying you live in your mom's basement, then posting that "fact" all the time.

Which you fail to object to, I've noticed.

If you want to be treated with respect, it behooves you to provide some respect of your own, or does it matter to you that most here think of you as "legion troll"?

I value respect when it's based on knowledge. When it's not, not so much. How about you?

Now, do you think the government should be "punished or fined" when people suffer loss?

 

[Damocles]

In SmarterThanFews' case, yes. BTW, we live in a representative Republic.

Fair enough, a point I've made numerous times. Can you tell me how those representatives are chosen?

I only know what he claims. If the "police state" were as repressive as he says it is and he was as "revolutionary" as he claims to be, he'd be in jail. He's not. Draw your own conclusions.

Or he would be more successful at protest than you think you would be.

Which you fail to object to, I've noticed.

Not really, I've pointed out that from all evidence I have that while you use a proxy you seem to only post on this one user name.

I value respect when it's based on knowledge. When it's not, not so much. How about you?

Now, do you think the government should be "punished or fined" when people suffer loss?

Whether or not you value it, if you expect it from others it is necessary to provide it.

I believe that government entities that fail should be replaced, and their principals held accountable.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Fair enough, a point I've made numerous times. Can you tell me how those representatives are chosen?

Sure.

Or he would be more successful at protest than you think you would be.

So he's a hunted fugitive and the eeeevil government cannot force you to reveal his IP address? How exciting.

Not really, I've pointed out that from all evidence I have that while you use a proxy you seem to only post on this one user name.

Which is irrelevant, isn't it?

Whether or not you value it, if you expect it from others it is necessary to provide it.

Who said I "expect" it?

I believe that government entities that fail should be replaced, and their principals held accountable.

So if someone dies as a result of e.Coli, the FDA and USDA should be replaced?

Principals are accountable if malfeasance or dereliction are proven, BTW.

 

[Damocles]

So if someone dies as a result of e.Coli, the FDA and USDA should be replaced?

Principals are accountable if malfeasance or dereliction are proven, BTW.

Only if you thin the police department should be replaced if somebody commits a crime. And it is my opinion that we should have a stronger accountability.

Now, since you use the FDA as an example I will continue that line of reasoning.

If the FDA were found to be a total failure, incapable of preventing even a few deaths through regulation, do you think we should increase their funding automatically each year through baseline funding or should we replace it with a more effective program? Do you think that we should maybe check on relevance and effectiveness instead of using baseline funding to automatically increase funding for government programs?

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Only if you think the police department should be replaced if somebody commits a crime. And it is my opinion that we should have a stronger accountability. Now, since you use the FDA as an example I will continue that line of reasoning. If the FDA were found to be a total failure, incapable of preventing even a few deaths through regulation, do you think we should increase their funding automatically each year through baseline funding or should we replace it with a more effective program? Do you think that we should maybe check on relevance and effectiveness instead of using baseline funding to automatically increase funding for government programs?

I didn't choose to use the FDA, SmarterThanFew did. And he says government agencies should be fined or punished...

strange things about the shit you're saying. for example, if a company that is regulated by the FDA or the USDA sells a product that is later determined to be 'out of regulation', or modified, does the USDA or FDA incur a penalty of any kind?

BTW, did you take SmarterThanFew to task for being "off-topic"? Your contextual awareness is slipping.

 

[Damocles]

I didn't choose to use the FDA, SmarterThanFew did. And he says government agencies should be fined or punished...



BTW, did you take SmarterThanFew to task for being "off-topic"? Your contextual awareness is slipping.

If I asked him a question, I would expect him to answer within the relevant context of the post that generated the question (you can figure out what post that was by the quote). I think your understanding of context is disfigured purposefully.

 

[apple0154]

Wow, so you ignore the fact that STY fights against the police state to post this?

There is a difference between objecting to a Police state and saying they should be fined for failure to protect everyone.

Do you believe that when government entities fail they should be rewarded with more of our tax dollars?

An inquiry should be done.