Republicans can't deal with medical care:

Flash said:
Because those are political decisions we have made. We do not have to do it because it is anybody's "human right."
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Well...the term 'human right' is a lot like 'Democratic Socialism'. It just doesn't sound right.

However, healthcare should NOT be based on profits, which is what it is in this country. The only place in the world where profit is the number one consideration for insurance companies.

We can discuss the problems with the 'free' healthcare systems in the world, but somewhere in the middle is where the answer lies.
 
Gonzomin said:
Ignorant rightys. Universal healthcare will SAVE you money. You will get care and the cost will go DOWN. If we wrap the VA, Medicare and Medicaid into universal care, it gets even cheaper. Other industrial nations have universal care and do it for half the cost., Universal care will take the cost out of businesses and allow them to compete better across the globe. They eliminate the insurance cost and the cost of administering it.
You guys cannot think through anything, can you?
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And auto insurance will go down.
 
Althea said:
What has that to do with it? What costs more when you purchase auto insurance...collision, or liability?
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I live in Michigan. we were promised a couple of decades ago that voting in no-fault would slash our insurance rates. We pay the highest prices in the nation. I cannot see auto insurance dropping.
 
Gonzomin said:
I live in Michigan. we were promised a couple of decades ago that voting in no-fault would slash our insurance rates. We pay the highest prices in the nation. I cannot see auto insurance dropping.
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I'll bet we're worse in NY. We heard the same thing about no fault.

I guess I'll just spell it out for you.
I already asked you a question about collision vs. liability. If you've ever reported an accident to your insurer, what's the first question they ask?

"Was anybody hurt?"

Bodily injury can cost an insurer millions. A depreciated car? Not so much.

If everyone in the nation has full healthcare coverage, an insurer wouldn't be covering the medical issues associated with a car accident.
 
Althea said:
... I already asked you a question about collision vs. liability. If you've ever reported an accident to your insurer, what's the first question they ask?
"Was anybody hurt?"
Bodily injury can cost an insurer millions. A depreciated car? Not so much.
If everyone in the nation has full healthcare coverage, an insurer wouldn't be covering the medical issues associated with a car accident.
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Any of this group's members knowledgeable about auto insurance?

Don't medical insurers go after the party responsible for the accident when they're paying costs consequential to an auto accident? Don't medical insurers seek to regain their costs? I know that hospitals go that route because they always ask if the injury was due to an auto accident.

I recall insurance companies inquiring about my medical insurance when I applied for auto insurance. I didn't acknowledge my medical coverage and seek any discount on my insurance rate. Have you ever have dealt with two service and/or product providers pointing at each other when someone's responsible for the loss you're incurring? I didn't want that to happen because I'm receiving an auto insurance discount due to my medical insurance. I suspect I wasn't making the frugal choice, but I wasn't so poor as to wish dealing with such a hassle.

How much of a discount could I have passed up?

I suppose if all USA legal residents were covered by adequate medical insurance, both our nation's aggregate medical and aggregate auto insurance costs would be less than they are now.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
As evidenced, Repukes cannot deal with anything decent and civilized but enjoying running with treason, moral rot, crimes against humanity, grand larceny and other atrocities against a nation and the common decency of humanity and civilization. The republican party appears to have become the party of the Beast that should be shunned and condemned among any civilized entity. After all it is the repuke party that partly and lawlessly introduced this demagogue and global tyrant tRump on the global scene and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law.
 
Supposn said:
Any of this group's members knowledgeable about auto insurance?

Don't medical insurers go after the party responsible for the accident when they're paying costs consequential to an auto accident? Don't medical insurers seek to regain their costs? I know that hospitals go that route because they always ask if the injury was due to an auto accident.

I recall insurance companies inquiring about my medical insurance when I applied for auto insurance. I didn't acknowledge my medical coverage and seek any discount on my insurance rate. Have you ever have dealt with two service and/or product providers pointing at each other when someone's responsible for the loss you're incurring? I didn't want that to happen because I'm receiving an auto insurance discount due to my medical insurance. I suspect I wasn't making the frugal choice, but I wasn't so poor as to wish dealing with such a hassle.

How much of a discount could I have passed up?

I suppose if all USA legal residents were covered by adequate medical insurance, both our nation's aggregate medical and aggregate auto insurance costs would be less than they are now.

Respectfully, Supposn
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Does not matter. When you get Medicare, you should be less of potential liability to insurance companies. That gets you no price breaks.
 
Althea said:
I'll bet we're worse in NY. We heard the same thing about no fault.

I guess I'll just spell it out for you.
I already asked you a question about collision vs. liability. If you've ever reported an accident to your insurer, what's the first question they ask?

"Was anybody hurt?"

Bodily injury can cost an insurer millions. A depreciated car? Not so much.

If everyone in the nation has full healthcare coverage, an insurer wouldn't be covering the medical issues associated with a car accident.
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Medicare did not get me a price break.
 
Supposn said:
Any of this group's members knowledgeable about auto insurance?

Don't medical insurers go after the party responsible for the accident when they're paying costs consequential to an auto accident? Don't medical insurers seek to regain their costs? I know that hospitals go that route because they always ask if the injury was due to an auto accident.

I recall insurance companies inquiring about my medical insurance when I applied for auto insurance. I didn't acknowledge my medical coverage and seek any discount on my insurance rate. Have you ever have dealt with two service and/or product providers pointing at each other when someone's responsible for the loss you're incurring? I didn't want that to happen because I'm receiving an auto insurance discount due to my medical insurance. I suspect I wasn't making the frugal choice, but I wasn't so poor as to wish dealing with such a hassle.

How much of a discount could I have passed up?

I suppose if all USA legal residents were covered by adequate medical insurance, both our nation's aggregate medical and aggregate auto insurance costs would be less than they are now.

Respectfully, Supposn
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Exactly my point.
 
Althea said:
Well...the term 'human right' is a lot like 'Democratic Socialism'. It just doesn't sound right.

However, healthcare should NOT be based on profits, which is what it is in this country. The only place in the world where profit is the number one consideration for insurance companies.

We can discuss the problems with the 'free' healthcare systems in the world, but somewhere in the middle is where the answer lies.
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The problem of profits and cost are not caused by the insurance companies--they are a small part of the cost and their profits are only about 4-5%. The major cost is from the providers, not insurance. Those same profits exist occur in Medicare and Medicaid.
 
Flash said:
The problem of profits and cost are not caused by the insurance companies--they are a small part of the cost and their profits are only about 4-5%. The major cost is from the providers, not insurance. Those same profits exist occur in Medicare and Medicaid.
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I said 'healthcare', not 'health insurance'. Big Pharma is the biggest problem, which has astronomical profits. The profit margin you cite for insurers is calculated after lobbying, CEO pay, and other unnecessary general expenditures.
 
Althea said:
I said 'healthcare', not 'health insurance'. Big Pharma is the biggest problem, which has astronomical profits. The profit margin you cite for insurers is calculated after lobbying, CEO pay, and other unnecessary general expenditures.
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You also said "The only place in the world where profit is the number one consideration for insurance companies."

Of course CEO pay or lobbying is not part of profits.
 
Supposn said:
CFM, you're correct. The words healthcare, airforce, electricity, submarine, do not appear in the original Constitution. But all of those words and healthcare do appear somewhere among the federal statutes and regulations that were later passed and enacted or in other manners complied with the U.S. Constitution. ...
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CFM said:
Supposn posted, "CFM, you're correct". That's all that matters. Next time maybe you'll listen and not be embarrassed.
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CFM, you contend the Constitution of the United States cannot be binding upon any legal issue regarding healthcare, airforces, electricity, submarines; and that's all that matters?
Respectfully, Supposn
 
gemini104104 said:
As evidenced, Repukes cannot deal with anything decent and civilized but enjoying running with treason, moral rot, crimes against humanity, grand larceny and other atrocities against a nation and the common decency of humanity and civilization. The republican party appears to have become the party of the Beast that should be shunned and condemned among any civilized entity. After all it is the repuke party that partly and lawlessly introduced this demagogue and global tyrant tRump on the global scene and in violation of U.S. Constitutional law.
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What ? Did you loose your welfare ?
 
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