Republicans Have to Cheat to Win

christiefan915 said:
The problem isn't "any kind of ID", it's picture ID.

Use as an example a 70-year old woman with no picture ID. She goes to get one at the local DMV and they need a certified copy of her birth certificate, costing her x dollars. Then the birth certificate doesn't have the same legal last name she's using now because she took her husband's name 45 years ago when they got married. What then? Another step to buy a copy of the marriage license to put that link in the chain? And what if she was divorced and remarried, how many more documents are needed?

You idiots need to think it through. Furthermore, a lot of this photo ID crap came about as a result of the Patriot Act, so don't pretend people needed them forever.
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So she went her entire 70 fucking years without a photo ID? Really? That is what you expect me to believe? Stop with your left wing talking points and think for a change.

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FactsRStubborn said:
So she went her entire 70 fucking years without a photo ID? Really? That is what you expect me to believe? Stop with your left wing talking points and think for a change.

:rofl2:
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So no answer, just an emoticon. How typical.

Apparently you're forgetting that these people need a government-issued photo ID, not just any old one. Showing your Costco card isn't going to get you into the voting booth.
 
christiefan915 said:
So no answer, just an emoticon. How typical.

Apparently you're forgetting that these people need a government-issued photo ID, not just any old one. Showing your Costco card isn't going to get you into the voting booth.
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Yeah, and she needs government issued photo ID for the following. Now I am not saying she would do all of these things, but how did she get to 70 years old without a government issued photo ID? Again, stop with your left wing talking points and think. Libtard answers are always some fucking sob story because they know the facts aren't on their side

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
 
FactsRStubborn said:
Yeah, and she needs government issued photo ID for the following. Now I am not saying she would do all of these things, but how did she get to 70 years old without a government issued photo ID? Again, stop with your left wing talking points and think. Libtard answers are always some fucking sob story because they know the facts aren't on their side

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
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I've addressed this before. Photo IDs were not always needed for the above. I've done a number of things on the list without photo ID during my lifetime:

Board an airplane, secure employment, write and cash a check, use a credit card, get driver's license, drive a motor vehicle, purchase and/or rent a house, purchase tobacco, purchase motor vehicle, initial registration motor vehicle, apply for local building/remodeling permits, receive prescription medicine, serve on jury duty, get a bank account and have a cash transaction $5K or greater.

I don't know where your little southern hamlet "realville" is, but people who live in PA can verify that most of these photo ID requirements came about after 9/11.

I don't know where you got these talking points, must be some right-wing rag.
 
christiefan915 said:
I've addressed this before. Photo IDs were not always needed for the above. I've done a number of things on the list without photo ID during my lifetime:

Board an airplane, secure employment, write and cash a check, use a credit card, get driver's license, drive a motor vehicle, purchase and/or rent a house, purchase tobacco, purchase motor vehicle, initial registration motor vehicle, apply for local building/remodeling permits, receive prescription medicine, serve on jury duty, get a bank account and have a cash transaction $5K or greater.

I don't know where your little southern hamlet "realville" is, but people who live in PA can verify that most of these photo ID requirements came about after 9/11.

I don't know where you got these talking points, must be some right-wing rag.
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You lie
 
christiefan915 said:
ROTFL. Hide your face in shame.
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No shame here. I am trying to debate a full fledge liar. I am a great man, but even I can only do so much. If you want to be willfully ignorant go ahead. But, the majority of American side with me. Voter ID laws will protect our republic. Which obviously skeers Marxists like you who want to tear it down and the only way you can do that is by fraud.

You are dismissed.
 
Come on Dixie, voter suppression has been the radical right's plan for decades, here's proof from the horse's mouth...



 
\\((|))// said:
So the Constitution says if a citizen "could not be bothered to get proper identification such as a drivers license or photo ID", they can't vote?
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Have you ever read the actual Constitution? I mean, you are attributing something to it that isn't there.
 
Rune said:
The obvious answer is because they can't afford it. When one must;
A. Take a bus or cab to one's hometown, pay for a birth certificate, take a bus or cab to town hall, pay for an ID,
or
B. eat,
what choice is there, really?
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If it's that much of a problem. How about the bus or cab to go vote? Or eat? Lose that time that they could be working? At a certain point it becomes a matter of priorities.
 
FactsRStubborn said:
It really begs the question as to why so many "democrat" voters don't have ID. Aren't you concerned about other aspects of their life that require ID?
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That's a good question. Another good question is why are Republicans so insecure that they feel they need to surpress the vote? Sorry, you don't need to answer that as it's a rhetorical question.
 
Disillusioned said:
If it's that much of a problem. How about the bus or cab to go vote? Or eat? Lose that time that they could be working? At a certain point it becomes a matter of priorities.
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You have to have an ID to fill out the I9 form to get employment. Those who are legally employed already have ID.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
How ironic Damo. That's exactly what these voter suppression laws do.
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Um... first we'll talk about ID laws not "suppression" laws...

No, they don't. Please read the document and get back with me. Cite the specific portion that talks about voter requisites.
 
FactsRStubborn said:
No shame here. I am trying to debate a full fledge liar. I am a great man, but even I can only do so much. If you want to be willfully ignorant go ahead. But, the majority of American side with me. Voter ID laws will protect our republic. Which obviously skeers Marxists like you who want to tear it down and the only way you can do that is by fraud.

You are dismissed.
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Your name-calling is meaningless. I've lived in this state my entire life and everything I said is true, not only that, it's provable. I have no reason to lie, even though it's an anonymous forum. Problem is, people like you don't research, you just parrot talking points.

Every state has different laws about photo ID so unless you can prove that there's one uniform standard applying to all fifty, keep your pie hole shut.

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And I mean that in the nicest way possible.
 
In many states, only the Voting Rights Act is standing in the GOP’s way. Rather than showing respect for the voting rights of minorities and winning their votes with appealing policies, Republicans appear to have instead decided to try to expel them from the electorate and attack the biggest legal obstacle to their expulsion — the Voting Rights Act.



The rights of minority voters, however, are not fair game in partisan battles. Partisanship must not be allowed to trump equal opportunity in voting. Republicans have whipped up a phony frenzy over the extent of voter fraud to justify their assault on minority voters.



Rather than working overtime to stir up fears, they should join in efforts to broaden the franchise to include as many Americans as possible.


The true scandal in our electoral process is our shockingly low turnout level. Nearly every other advanced democracy has higher voter participation. Yet we now have one political party working mightily to reduce that turnout through unwarranted restrictions that disproportionately burden minority voters.



The math is simple. The Voting Rights Act increases the number and effectiveness of minority voters.


Minority voters now overwhelmingly support Democrats. President Barack Obama’s support among African-Americans has reached 94 percent.


Latinos have voted increasingly Democratic since California Gov. Pete Wilson launched the GOP’s war against undocumented immigrants with Proposition 187 in 1994.


The Republicans’ current hard-line immigration policies have only advanced this trend. Reduce the minority vote and Republicans improve their chances of winning.



This shameful calculation has been embraced by the party of Lincoln.


Republicans in state legislatures have produced a flurry of photo ID laws, discriminatory redistricting, restrictions on registration, cutbacks on early voting, reinstatement of strict felon disfranchisement rules and erroneous purges of voter lists.



Republicans have now turned their backs on the powerful moral imperative that animated the Voting Rights Act in 1965 and produced overwhelming bipartisan majorities for renewal of Section 5 as recently as 2006.


In the interest of winning elections at any cost, Republicans are trying to take back the vote from the most vulnerable in our society.



Since its passage in 1965, the Voting Rights Act’s explicit goal has been to empower minorities by ensuring that they have an equal opportunity to participate in the political process and elect candidates of their choice.



The real partisan implications were less clear when the act passed. In fact, Democrats seemed the likely losers.


Southern whites fled the party of their forebears and into the arms of a Republican Party that promised to protect them from the advance of civil rights. President Lyndon B. Johnson famously said, as he signed the bill, that he was delivering the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.





 
FactsRStubborn said:
Yeah, and she needs government issued photo ID for the following. Now I am not saying she would do all of these things, but how did she get to 70 years old without a government issued photo ID? Again, stop with your left wing talking points and think. Libtard answers are always some fucking sob story because they know the facts aren't on their side

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above
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What a moron.
Seriously, look at your own list and tell me how many desperately poor people do any of those things, and no you don't need an ID for purchasing alcohol or tobacco unless you look too young.

Really, cash transactions over $5000, boarding a plane, applying for a business license, purchasing real estate, renting a car, using a credit card? You have never met a single poor person in your life have you?
 
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