Republicans will back off on Abortion

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this thread but it seems like it's proclaiming Trump is pro-choice and therefore pro-life voters shouldn't vote him. When in office he seemed to appoint all pro-life judges and the people that overturned R v W. It seems hard to get more pro-life than that from a policy.

Not that those who have stuck with Trump this long are going to change their support him but Democrats/liberals trying to argue he's actually pro-choice seems like an interesting strategy to get them to switch.

As I just noted, he isn’t anything, depends on what he thinks will win him the most votes at the moment, he can jump between any position, and his supporters would not care, nor would Republicans if he is the candidate

Trump’s cop out will be he is leaving it all up to the States, which he’ll dance around in explaining, and the only real threat the issue presents for him is that if State and local governments add an abortion proposal to their ballots, in which case, additional voters, largely those leaning left, wound be drawn to the polls
 
As I just noted, he isn’t anything, depends on what he thinks will win him the most votes at the moment, he can jump between any position, and his supporters would not care, nor would Republicans if he is the candidate

Trump’s cop out will be he is leaving it all up to the States, which he’ll dance around in explaining, and the only real threat the issue presents for him is that if State and local governments add an abortion proposal to their ballots, in which case, additional voters, largely those leaning left, wound be drawn to the polls

So why would any liberal/pro-choice person complain that he’s not sufficiently pro life in your eyes?
 
Heck, I voted for a pro-life candidate in the 2006 Senate election. It was between Bob Casey Jr. or Rick Santorum. I wouldn't vote for Santorum in a million years, plus Roe v. Wade was still solid. So I guess it depends, plus I'm not a single-issue voter although choice is pretty high on the list.

It's irrelevant if someone calls themselves prolife.

The only thing that matters is if they support overturning Roe, and will appoint the judges to do it.

One can be against abortion for personal reasons, but not be actively trying to overturn Roe. Jimmy Carter was adamantly against abortion for religious reasons, but he didn't try to overturn Roe or appoint judges who would
 
So why would any liberal/pro-choice person complain that he’s not sufficiently pro life in your eyes?

As I said, it is what the State and local authorities put on the ballot that counts, Democrats will attempt to have abortion proposals everywhere, it draws voters who largely lean left. They obviously want to identify Trump as pro life, while at the same time creating doubt with the Evangelicals by resurrecting Trump’s past pro choice position, showing down deep he isn’t one of them on the issue or at least non dependable
 
As I said, it is what the State and local authorities put on the ballot that counts, Democrats will attempt to have abortion proposals everywhere, it draws voters who largely lean left. They obviously want to identify Trump as pro life, while at the same time creating doubt with the Evangelicals by resurrecting Trump’s past pro choice position, showing down deep he isn’t one of them on the issue or at least non dependable

'He's really pro-life and responsible for putting pro-life judges on the bench who overturned R v W, BUT he's not really pro-life and could turn on you and not put pro life judges on the court going forward'

I understand the idea of trying to create doubt and it's possible that could get some bites but doesn't seem likely
 
It's irrelevant if someone calls themselves prolife.

The only thing that matters is if they support overturning Roe, and will appoint the judges to do it.

One can be against abortion for personal reasons, but not be actively trying to overturn Roe. Jimmy Carter was adamantly against abortion for religious reasons, but he didn't try to overturn Roe or appoint judges who would

Exactly! Be what your conscience tells you to be, but don't push your views onto people who don't think the same. Both Biden and Pelosi, to name a couple, think the same as Carter about it.
Now I'm unlikely to vote for Nikki Haley in the next election but I did like the way she explained her abortion views in the last debate.

For some RWs it's all or nothing. They don't comprehend how you can be for or against something individually without wanting the entire country to accept the same position. Think back to the Iraq war when this slogan was going around: "If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops." That's fallacious on so many levels. You can be a parent with a child in Iraq and still hate the war that put him there in danger. The same thing applies to other controversial positions.

/rant
 
Biden didn't exactly have the strongest pro-choice record during his earlier career in office. Did that stop you or other pro-choice people from supporting him for President in 2020?

I didn't know about his earlier comments then but no, it wouldn't have stopped me from supporting him because he wasn't trying to overturn RvW. The subject here is trump but it can also apply to people like Amy Barrett and Bart O'Kavanaugh. In their pre-SCOTUS hearings both said that RvW was settled law and they wouldn't try to change it but they did as soon as they got the chance. That's 100% hypocritical IMO but I'll listen to your thoughts on the matter.
 
Biden didn't exactly have the strongest pro-choice record during his earlier career in office. Did that stop you or other pro-choice people from supporting him for President in 2020?

You mean in 1893?
 
The Reds are not changing their position. They are saying they are to get elected. Then they will do exactly what they want, even though it is the opposite of what they ran on.
 
I didn't know about his earlier comments then but no, it wouldn't have stopped me from supporting him because he wasn't trying to overturn RvW. The subject here is trump but it can also apply to people like Amy Barrett and Bart O'Kavanaugh. In their pre-SCOTUS hearings both said that RvW was settled law and they wouldn't try to change it but they did as soon as they got the chance. That's 100% hypocritical IMO but I'll listen to your thoughts on the matter.

I brought up Biden because the same principles apply, voters tend to care what the candidates they support are doing in office now. Do you think pro-life Trump voters who wanted R v W overturned will NOT vote for Trump because he appointed Barrett and Kavanaugh? Not being a Trump voter I can't speak as one but I'm willing to bet healthy sums they aren't mad at him for that or view those two justices as hypocrites and therefore won't vote for Trump. (I've been wrong many times before but feel pretty confident in that one)

I could be understanding this thread differently than you and others. But the argument that pro-life life voters won't, or shouldn't, vote for Trump because he's supposedly pro-choice seems like a very long shot.
 
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