Research; Trees are the solution: Open discussion

[Into the Night]

Good news for redwoods, aspens and oaks then.

Each wood has characteristics that make it more suitable for a particular purpose. Cost is one of those characteristics, as well as grain density and orientation, natural oils and color in the wood, the amount of lignin in the wood, and the length of grain.

 

[Into the Night]

Im good with reforestation.
Has nothing to do with global warming, just a good idea.

Works for me too. That's why I support companies like Weyerhauser, which do just exactly that.

Whenever they harvest a stand of trees, they replant and care for the new trees, thinning them to produce better growth and a stronger forest. They are farmers as well as timbermen.

 

[Into the Night]

As with most Flat Earthers, this one throws out the phraseology with the proper vernacular to attempt an image of competence aimed at presenting a false paradigm. When challenged, he falls back upon lame theorized explanations of Science attempting to neutralize common sense. Been there, done that, boring

In reality, all one needs to know regarding "night's" position on climate change is pretty much summed up in his line "CO2 production is linked to industrial activity, which is targeted by Marxism"

Next

Since you deny both the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, you are denying science. This is YOUR problem, and it stems from your fundamentalist belief in the Church of Global Warming.

You choose ignorance rather than learning anything about these three theories. The 'greenhouse effect' is not possible because of these three theories.

* You cannot create energy out of nothing.
* You cannot trap heat or light.
* You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
* You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas in the atmosphere. You cannot make heat flow backwards.
* You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time.

Absorption of infrared light emitted by the surface by CO2 does NOT warm the Earth. It is simply another way for the surface to cool itself by warming the atmosphere. It does not warm the surface again. The atmosphere is still colder than the surface.

 

[archives]

Since you deny both the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, you are denying science. This is YOUR problem, and it stems from your fundamentalist belief in the Church of Global Warming.

You choose ignorance rather than learning anything about these three theories. The 'greenhouse effect' is not possible because of these three theories.

* You cannot create energy out of nothing.
* You cannot trap heat or light.
* You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
* You cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas in the atmosphere. You cannot make heat flow backwards.
* You cannot reduce the radiance of Earth and increase its temperature at the same time.

Absorption of infrared light emitted by the surface by CO2 does NOT warm the Earth. It is simply another way for the surface to cool itself by warming the atmosphere. It does not warm the surface again. The atmosphere is still colder than the surface.

Did I call that one or what, "throws out the phraseology with the proper vernacular to attempt an image of competence aimed at presenting a false paradigm."

And, if I attempted to present actual Scientific evidence, he will validate my second point, "when challenged, he falls back upon lame theorized explanations of Science attempting to neutralize common sense"

I guess he missed, "been there, done that, boring"

 

[Into the Night]

Did I call that one or what, "throws out the phraseology with the proper vernacular to attempt an image of competence aimed at presenting a false paradigm."

And, if I attempted to present actual Scientific evidence, he will validate my second point, "when challenged, he falls back upon lame theorized explanations of Science attempting to neutralize common sense"

I guess he missed, "been there, done that, boring"

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is just evidence...or not.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. You deny science.

Which argument do you want to use for 'greenhouse effect' this time? The Magick Blanket argument or the Magick Bouncing Photon argument?

 

[Celticguy]

Works for me too. That's why I support companies like Weyerhauser, which do just exactly that.

Whenever they harvest a stand of trees, they replant and care for the new trees, thinning them to produce better growth and a stronger forest. They are farmers as well as timbermen.

Timber companies have done this for some time. Trouble is they tend to plant faster growing varieties than the ones they took the first time.
Id love to see someone planting mahogany and walnut but not holding my breath. Turnaround time on those isnt even close to pine n oak.

 

[archives]

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is just evidence...or not.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. You deny science.

Which argument do you want to use for 'greenhouse effect' this time? The Magick Blanket argument or the Magick Bouncing Photon argument?

Oh, so that means that the Heliocentric theory is still relevant in your world since "there is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence," only "falsifiable theories," now exactly how does one "falsify" one of those theories?

Another, did I call it, "when challenged, he falls back upon lame theorized explanations of Science attempting to neutralize common sense"

 

[Into the Night]

Timber companies have done this for some time. Trouble is they tend to plant faster growing varieties than the ones they took the first time.

They plant what does well there.

Id love to see someone planting mahogany and walnut but not holding my breath.

They do, for places where these trees do well. There are farmers that specialize in sitka spruce, in popplar, in alderwood, in balsawood, in blackwood, and yes...in mahogany and walnut; even Christmas trees (which are grown like large bonzai plants).

Turnaround time on those isnt even close to pine n oak.

Yet all these woods are available. How do you suppose that is? Farmers!

 

[Into the Night]

Oh, so that means that the Heliocentric theory is still relevant in your world

No. That theory has been falsified by Newton and Einstein.

since "there is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence," only "falsifiable theories," now exactly how does one "falsify" one of those theories?

There is no such thing as 'scientific' evidence. There is only evidence...or not. There is nothing 'scientific' about any evidence.

A theory is falsified by failing to survive a test designed to destroy it. That test must be available, practical, specific, and produce a specific result. If an observation, it must be a direct quantifiable observation.
Such a test can be a math proof, a logic proof, or conflicting evidence from direct quantifiable observations (with the understanding that all observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology).

Another, did I call it, "when challenged, he falls back upon lame theorized explanations of Science attempting to neutralize common sense"

No, you just deny science.

 

[Celticguy]

They plant what does well there.

They do, for places where these trees do well. There are farmers that specialize in sitka spruce, in popplar, in alderwood, in balsawood, in blackwood, and yes...in mahogany and walnut; even Christmas trees (which are grown like large bonzai plants).

Yet all these woods are available. How do you suppose that is? Farmers!

Imports. Where dies Gibson get its mahogany ? Not here.
The other timber you mention are also fast growing.
Im sure some folks are going long view but basically old growth gets replaced with fast growth. Makes business sense of course but i gained a respect for fine hardwoods from my dad (who got it from his dad a master cabinetmaker) watching him make fine furniture as a hobby.

 

[Micawber]

How can anyone disagree that planting a trillion trees is a good idea?
You'd have to be a Republican ecology hater to oppose

 

[Into the Night]

Imports. Where dies Gibson get its mahogany ? Not here.
The other timber you mention are also fast growing.
Im sure some folks are going long view but basically old growth gets replaced with fast growth. Makes business sense of course but i gained a respect for fine hardwoods from my dad (who got it from his dad a master cabinetmaker) watching him make fine furniture as a hobby.

Old growth is not hardwoods. Hardwoods and softwoods will grown where they are favorable. There is little sense in planting oak where it won't grow well. Yes, people farm mahogany. This is a tropical variety. It is grown in Hawaii and in the Philippines.

 

[Into the Night]

How can anyone disagree that planting a trillion trees is a good idea?
You'd have to be a Republican ecology hater to oppose

A trillion trees?? You and what army? On what acreage? What kind of trees?

 

[moon]

How can anyone disagree that planting a trillion trees is a good idea?
You'd have to be a Republican ecology hater to oppose

Yeah- and you're talking to one. Haw, haw............haw.

This dawg doesn't even accept the existence of paleoclimatology and global weather stations. He's only interested in a tree to cock his back leg up. Haw, haw....................haw.