Rev. Wright: Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me

SO nothing then. Typical.

Moshiach is a standard jewish teaching, it's not some rare branch called "Messianic jews".

You lost so hard. I mean really. You couldn';t even link to one falsehood or evidence of HATE. So just stow it next time.

Oh, and it's not that people WILL BELIEVE IT AUTOMATICALLY. It's the responsibility of the jews to bring the world under a single political entity to CAUSE moshiach to come. That's the teaching. if someone lied to you, that's your problem.
Just more accidental hilarity and evidence of your complete hypocrisy when it comes to standard blocks of thought and "dehumanization" complaints. You are a sad man. Moshiach is something that Jews argue about consistently, pretending that it is "standard" is just plain ignorant.
 
You are so desperately and accidentally hilarious. There is nothing in the Torah, or the Jewish Bible about the rest of the world becoming slaves, and not every Jew believes this, in fact they are a minority. And I am anything but a "Zionist", it's stupid to suggest that because I don't fear these people I am in cahoots with them.
Not only this, but Judaism is one of the few belief systems that tolerates Atheists in their fold. I know a woman who was raised Jewish her whole life, does not believe in God but still follows the dictates of the law. There are Jews that don't believe in an afterlife and some that do. There are Jews that believe in an afterlife but not hell. Judaism is multifaceted, I would say much more so than Christianity. You cannot lump all members of the Jewish community into one category.
 
Not only this, but Judaism is one of the few belief systems that tolerates Atheists in their fold. I know a woman who was raised Jewish her whole life, does not believe in God but still follows the dictates of the law. There are Jews that don't believe in an afterlife and some that do. There are Jews that believe in an afterlife but not hell. Judaism is multifaceted, I would say much more so than Christianity. You cannot lump all members of the Jewish community into one category.

You know why they accept atheists? Because it's all really about racism anyway.

Yet one of the noahide commandments is to behead idolaters. I Guess if you believe the spin over the actual teachings, you would come to such wrong conclusions as yours.
 
How you guys can watch people proclaim themselves god's chosen people and not see the racism of that is an instance of epic self delusion.
 
I always thought Reverend Wright's original statement about the damning of America was funny, because I never felt he was damning America in as much as exclaiming: "gott-dayum, Amurica!"

That said, he's a dick for saying this, and his retraction about meaning to say "Zionist" when he said "Jews" just indicates an insensitivity on the topic that isn't helpful. He has a responsibility to set a positive example or at least do no harm on Black-Jewish relations. Instead, he's feeding resentments that work both ways.

About Jews who are critical of Israel. I don't really think that criticizing Israeli policy means that you have to be against Jewish statehood or the idea of an alliance between Israel and the United States.

We all criticize policy in the United States every day and we still love our country. Why can't you both appreciate and respect the State of Israel, its right to exist, and the right of self-determination for all people, while making reasoned criticisms of Israeli policies and the U.S. interaction with the Israeli government and supporters?

I appreciate your well-reasoned thought .. but there are a few things missing from it .. most importantly, the Palestinan people. The middle east isn't just about Israel and the United States, it's also about the Palestinian people, the arab world, and the unity of nations.

African-Americans have an affinity for oppressed people. We know that story very well. The Palestinian people are oppressed people, oppressed by the state of Israel. This is not just the opinion of Palestinans, arabs, or black people. It is the opinion of most of the world. Israel is the most hated nation on the planet and is in violation of more UN Resolutions than any nation in history. Israel has thumbed it's nose to the world and powers to which it owes it's very existence for decades.

As long as Israel engages in atrocities like in Gaza and Jenin, surely you cannot expect it to be welcomed with open arms. Surely you cannot expect the world to be blind to the imbalance in our policy towards the middle east.

The responsibility for Black-Jewish relations does not rest solely with Rev. Wright. He teaches Black Liberation Theology which is steeped in a history you may have no understanding of .. hence your "gott-dayum, Amurica!"

What both Wright and many Jews have in common is their understanding of the danger and scourge of zionism.

"We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide."

That's from Jews Against Zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/mission.cfm

I could post hundreds of statements from Jewish groups and organizations, some of whom go further than Wright in their condemnation of the state of Israel, and from thinkers like Chomsky and Howard Zinn who also recognize their danger.

My question to you good brother is do yoiu make the same public condemnations of zionism as you do Wright? The statements of many zionists would make one's skin crawl and they do not further better relationships with blacks or anyone else.

If all you have is condemnation of Wright yet none for the scourge of zionism, then you have your answer to why the divisions and resentment exist.
 
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BAC, I don't think you're allowed to question a jew. You're supposed to automatically believe their utterances are wise and true, like damo does.
 
Not only this, but Judaism is one of the few belief systems that tolerates Atheists in their fold. I know a woman who was raised Jewish her whole life, does not believe in God but still follows the dictates of the law. There are Jews that don't believe in an afterlife and some that do. There are Jews that believe in an afterlife but not hell. Judaism is multifaceted, I would say much more so than Christianity. You cannot lump all members of the Jewish community into one category.
I would argue that Christianity is just as multi-faceted, perhaps more so based solely on sheer numbers.
 
BAC, I don't think you're allowed to question a jew. You're supposed to automatically believe their utterances are wise and true, like damo does.

I'd just like to have a sane conversation that avoids the hyperbole and addresses serious questions on the issue.

Adam Weinberg impresses me as a good guy and hopefully he'll respond in kind.
 
I think it was adam preaching to the republicans they needed to purge anyone who actually puts americans over corporate interests.

He's a douche.
 
I think you are pressing your opinion of what he should be onto him.

No. I saw him. He came on here saying republicans had to get rid of the "racists" who are against amnesty, and then got pissy when i pointed out it;s not a race issue, but a wage issue.

I can get you the thread if you want.
 
No. I saw him. He came on here saying republicans had to get rid of the "racists" who are against amnesty, and then got pissy when i pointed out it;s not a race issue, but a wage issue.

I can get you the thread if you want.

Get the thread. I think you are misremembering the conversation based on your skewed interpretation.
 
I appreciate your well-reasoned thought .. but there are a few things missing from it .. most importantly, the Palestinan people. The middle east isn't just about Israel and the United States, it's also about the Palestinian people, the arab world, and the unity of nations.

The Palestinians deserve self-determination as do the Israelis. And I would offer more criticism of the U.S. on that issue. I think we tied Israel's hands when we let Palestine have an election and then didn't allow their government to get on with the business of governing.

I agree that Israel has been on many occasions in recent years unwise in their use of military power, and to their own detriment on the world stage.

The responsibility for Black-Jewish relations does not rest solely with Rev. Wright.

No one said it did. I do not condemn him, but offer a critical view of him as a leader. He does have a responsibility as someone with a following. If he cannot curb his own desire to accuse of a Jewish power monolith, then what will give his followers motivation to individually examine Jewish people, who may hold a diversity of views and personal circumstances?

hence your "gott-dayum, Amurica!"

All I was doing was offering my own imagined interpretation of a soundbite the man was widely condemned for. In a sense, I am going easier on him than most, including Obama, who eventually kicked him to the curb over this statement.

I don't really see how that would have any bearing on my familiarity or reverence for his theological teachings.

"We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide."


I could post hundreds of statements from Jewish groups and organizations, some of whom go further than Wright in their condemnation of the state of Israel, and from thinkers like Chomsky and Howard Zinn who also recognize their danger.

Yes, but the thing to remember about that organization's mission statement that they seem to overlook is that in fact most all Jewish people in this country do support Israel in one way or another, even if they are critical of it.

So, are they supposed to be resented globally because they have an unpopular country associated with their religion? Must they choose to abandon their good wishes for that country if they wish to be regarded as trustworthy and free from association with that country's errors?

It's a double-standard that doesn't get applied to many people from many countries. I never blamed my Chinese friends for Communism, and we all know the governments operating in the Middle East these days do not represent the height of civilization.

It's not accurate to say that there is some kind of sizable majority of Jews who feels comfortable around people who regularly criticize the presence and influence of "Zionists" and treat them as conspirators against America's values and interests. The kind of language that exists in this forum actually would frighten many who are not accustomed to it.

My question to you good brother is do yoiu make the same public condemnations of zionism as you do Wright? The statements of many zionists would make one's skin crawl and they do not further better relationships with blacks or anyone else.

If all you have is condemnation of Wright yet none for the scourge of zionism, then you have your answer to why the divisions and resentment exist.

I just want to suggest that you're reaching pretty far to connect the resentment between the Black and Jewish communities directly to the issue of Israeli treatment of the Palestinians and Jewish American support for Israel.

The answer is probably much more domestic in nature, and while it may on one side have something to do with the economic, social, and political prominence of the Jewish people, and the deprivation of blacks to the same, I think it mostly has to do with plain old ignorance on both sides.

I'm not sure why I need to condemn either Wright or Zionism.

Zionism has already succeeded in its goal of creating a Jewish state. Even Israel's former enemies now recognize Israel will always exist and hopefully alongside Palestine if we can ever get that worked out.

If my objection must be with the institution of Zionism, to label it racist, or to call Israel a pariah and an apartheid state, then I would be putting myself in the position of suggesting that an entire country should disband simply because I may disagree with its philosophical underpinnings (I don't fundamentally in this case).

What right does anyone have to do this to a sovereign nation?

And isn't the core reason why criticisms of Israel are often labeled anti-Semitic is because many critics continue to extend their condemnation to Jewry instead of focusing on the State of Israel, which happens to be a Jewish country?
 
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