Right to work...for LESS

ZappasGuitar said:
You have to understand.

007 and those like him don't give a shit about what happens to anyone else but themselves.

007 got his...the rest of the world can go FUCK OFF!
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No, you're the one who doesn't give a shit about other people. You have no regard for freedom and liberty, and want everyone to adhere to your way of doing things, even if it requires strong-arm thug tactics.
 
Dipshit said:
No, you're the one who doesn't give a shit about other people. You have no regard for freedom and liberty, and want everyone to adhere to your way of doing things, even if it requires strong-arm thug tactics.
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Everyone is free to not work at a union shop.
 
Rune said:
You don't have to take the job. There is no force involved.
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so why fight for worker rights at all? No one is forcing the worker to take a sub par job either.

:derp: <-- rune

Your logic is retarded. If unions are everywhere and have more power, then choice becomes limited to non-existent. People shouldn't have to pay for something they don't support. I know this just flabbergasts liberals, but it's the ethical thing to do.
 
Dixie said:
No, you're the one who doesn't give a shit about other people. You have no regard for freedom and liberty, and want everyone to adhere to your way of doing things, even if it requires strong-arm thug tactics.
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I am not a union member, never have been a union member, nor am I likely to ever be one.

What I am is speaking honestly, whereas you're still falsely pretending there is some sort of altruistic concern for the little guy behind Rightie attempts to dismantle unions.

Greedy, selfish conservatives understand as long as unions exist, their ability to squeeze more from their employees for less will be limited.
 
I'm going to start Dixie's Political Message Board Union. You pinheads don't have to join, but you will be expected to all send me a check for $20 each year, to cover your dues. Now, if you had rather leave and not post here, that's your prerogative, you are free to do so, but if you are going to post on this board, you'll need to either join my union or pay your dues to me. Fair enough?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I am not a union member, never have been a union member, nor am I likely to ever be one.

What I am is speaking honestly, whereas you're still falsely pretending there is some sort of altruistic concern for the little guy behind Rightie attempts to dismantle unions.

Greedy, selfish conservatives understand as long as unions exist, their ability to squeeze more from their employees for less will be limited.
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No one that I am aware of, has attempted to "dismantle unions." The issue is personal liberty. You and I should have the CHOICE of whether we want to join a union or not. That is the only issue on the table.

You are a Big Government Liberal Democrat, you believe in Statism and Big Government. Unions provide your political party with money and power, and to those ends, you support them blindly in whatever they want to do. You don't care about personal liberty and freedom, because that is the antithesis of Big Government. The more power you allow the people to have, the less power your party controls.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I am not a union member, never have been a union member, nor am I likely to ever be one.

What I am is speaking honestly, whereas you're still falsely pretending there is some sort of altruistic concern for the little guy behind Rightie attempts to dismantle unions.

Greedy, selfish conservatives understand as long as unions exist, their ability to squeeze more from their employees for less will be limited.
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Whats the 'dismantle unions' bullshit ? The law that was passed gives the same rights to all workers....freedom

Free to join or organize a union and freedom to NOT join or organize.....wtf don't you idiots get.....

You want a law that says non union workers can't enjoy the same pay or benefits as them ?
Its really none of the unions business what company's pay to the non union employees is it.....and the non union employee has no say in union business either....
 
Dixie said:
Several points need to be made here.

First point... Michigan did not ban or prohibit labor unions. You are still absolutely free to join a union in Michigan, if you want to. The new law allows you the freedom to make the choice. Personal liberty.

Second point... The term "labor movement" is an inaccurate misnomer. Unionized labor represents 11.6% of the labor force in America. The other 88.4% is non-union. Therefore, "labor" is represented by the overwhelming majority of non-union laborers. It is the "unionized labor" movement, and these people need to be corrected every time they refer to themselves as the "labor movement" because it's not accurate or true.

Third point... The entire "median income in RTW states" argument should be tossed. Most of these states were largely blue states until recently, and many of them just recently became RTW states. Change takes time, it doesn't happen in a year or two, and we can't look at a chart of statistics and make any sort of rational determination about this. That said, you can look at any one of the top examples the "unionists" present, and you will find the rate of growth in median income far exceeds their non-RTW counterparts. These states are booming with new business and jobs, whereas, cities like Detroit are deteriorating before our very eyes.

Fourth point... Statist Marxist Democrat government is only 'friends' to the unions because they are a source of money and power. The Democrats are the Party of Government, and will throw any union under the bus to further their agenda and protect their power. We see this today with the coal and oil industry, unionized industries that are being literally destroyed by the Democrats, in order to appease another power demographic, the environmentalists. In Poland, it was the labor union who rose up and overthrew the totalitarian government.
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Hey Dixie. Have a question for you. What's the difference between a freerider and a scab?
 
Grease said:
so why fight for worker rights at all? No one is forcing the worker to take a sub par job either.
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Thankyou. I am having this same discussion on another board and no one gets this simple concept.
:derp: <-- rune
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whatever, dude. So much for that fat bud I was saving for you (just kidding)
Your logic is retarded. If unions are everywhere and have more power, then choice becomes limited to non-existent. People shouldn't have to pay for something they don't support. I know this just flabbergasts liberals, but it's the ethical thing to do.
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WTF are you talking about now? Unions are not everywhere and have quickly diminishing power. Your post is what is lacking logic. Nevermind the weed, you don't need any.
 
haha I love it when people think that I am agreeing with them and they continue to read my post and it gets further and further away from the reality they expected.
 
bravo said:
Whats the 'dismantle unions' bullshit ? The law that was passed gives the same rights to all workers....freedom

Free to join or organize a union and freedom to NOT join or organize.....wtf don't you idiots get.....

You want a law that says non union workers can't enjoy the same pay or benefits as them ?
Its really none of the unions business what company's pay to the non union employees is it.....and the non union employee has no say in union business either....
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Hey idiot, you are already free to not join any union you like, we don't need any laws for that.

Right to work laws are nothing more than wage depressing actions.
 
Rune said:
Hey idiot, you are already free to not join any union you like, we don't need any laws for that.

Right to work laws are nothing more than wage depressing actions.
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Doesn't it also cut down on the amount of money unions have to give to democrats? RTW
 
Dixie said:
No one that I am aware of, has attempted to "dismantle unions." The issue is personal liberty. You and I should have the CHOICE of whether we want to join a union or not. That is the only issue on the table.

You are a Big Government Liberal Democrat, you believe in Statism and Big Government. Unions provide your political party with money and power, and to those ends, you support them blindly in whatever they want to do. You don't care about personal liberty and freedom, because that is the antithesis of Big Government. The more power you allow the people to have, the less power your party controls.
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Not surprisingly, another disingenuous Rightie either can't or won't acknowledge the true motives behind the recent attempts to dismantle unions.

What he doesn't understand is that rational people will one day come to realize that the Conservative claim that they only want to destroy unions in order to give workers more "freedom" is just another bullshit lie on a par with the initial claim by ignorant Righties that the 9/11 terrorists blew up the WTC because they hated us for our "freedoms".
 
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