APP - Rising Ocean Acidity: 'The Other Carbon Problem'

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By Doyle Rice What happens if there's no more "shell" in shellfish?
A new documentary on Discovery's Planet Green network, Acid Test: The Global Challenge of Ocean Acidification (premiering tonight, 10:30 p.m. ET/PT, and repeating throughout the month), explores this and other questions related to ocean acidification, a little-known but potentially disastrous consequence of global warming.
Known by some scientists as "the other carbon problem," the increased amounts of atmospheric carbon dioxide (caused by the burning of fossil fuels) also have been absorbed into the world's oceans during the past 200 years, the documentary says. The oceans cover 70% of the planet's surface.
The additional carbon not only warms the oceans, but it's also radically transforming their chemistry, says Lisa Suatoni of the Natural Resources Defense Council, which produced the film. As the carbon reacts with the seawater, it's rapidly making the water more acidic.
How rapidly? "Ocean acidity has increased by 30% since the Industrial Revolution," Suatoni says. She says oceanic carbon dioxide may double again by the end of the century.
"This may challenge life on a scale that hasn't happened for tens of millions of years," narrator Sigourney Weaver says in the film.
The increased acidity corrodes seashells, and thousands of species build shells around them to live. "It removes the building block for producing shells," says Steve Palumbi of Stanford University. "A lot of organisms may not be able to survive."
But is the fear of ocean acidification overblown? Perhaps, say the authors of a study published in May in the academic journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The authors of the study, led by Rebecca Gooding of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, dispute the belief that ocean acidification harms all marine life forms and urged that caution should be taken when examining "overgeneralized predictions."
In addition to a battery of top ocean acidification scientists, including leading expert Ken Caldiera of the Carnegie Institution for Science, Acid Test infuses some regular-guy perspective from commercial fisherman Bruce Steele. He warns that ocean acidity puts many prime shellfish species at risk -- such as oysters, lobsters and Dungeness crabs -- all of which he and his fellow shellfishermen depend on for their livelihood.
"Either we change what we're doing on land or it will have profound effects on fisheries as we know it," he says.
The film also touches on the threats to the world's coral reefs, which can be damaged by ocean acidification as well as rising water temperatures. (c) Copyright 2009 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc.
 
kinda lacking in data there. For example, what were the pKA and pH of the pre-industrial revolution oceans? Considering both scales are logarithmic a 30% increase in either, really isn't that much of an increase. This is the type of reporting that one has to be careful not to be alarmist about.
 
kinda lacking in data there. For example, what were the pKA and pH of the pre-industrial revolution oceans? Considering both scales are logarithmic a 30% increase in either, really isn't that much of an increase. This is the type of reporting that one has to be careful not to be alarmist about.

i posted a comment about this a few months ago

it does not take a large delta to screw with the ph affecting the Ca - consider how large the ocean is and a 30% rise is enormous
 
My guess is that the amount of acidity requires to knock the pH down to its buffered level of 7.4 is extremely large- much larger than man could achieve by burning all of the coal and oil in the ground.
 
that and considering there's no data on pre-industrial revolution pH/pKA of the ocean (the concepts were not known at the time). I'm very skeptical about this claim for a 30% increase. What data is this claim based on?

Actually, I'd like to see your link. SM is correct in that it would take an enormous amount of CO2 absorbed in the ocean to change the buffered adibiatic equilibrium potential of sea water (pH 7.4). Even then A 30% increase in acidity would only mean a worst case scenario pH change of around 7.1 which granted could have significant impact on some forms of sea life but, again, I'm not seeing the data to show a causal link here. SM could be right here. For example, one underground volcanic eruption can dissolve a much higher volume of acids into the ocean then the levels of CO2 that would be absorbed under ambient conditions, say in a years time.
 
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oops...now what

By Doyle Rice What happens if there's no more "shell" in shellfish?
A new documentary on Discovery's Planet Green network, Acid Test: The Global Challenge of Ocean Acidification (premiering tonight, 10:30 p.m. ET/PT, and repeating throughout the month), explores this and other questions related to ocean acidification, a little-known but potentially disastrous consequence of global warming.
Known by some scientists as "the other carbon problem," the increased amounts of atmospheric carbon dioxide (caused by the burning of fossil fuels) also have been absorbed into the world's oceans during the past 200 years, the documentary says. The oceans cover 70% of the planet's surface.
The additional carbon not only warms the oceans, but it's also radically transforming their chemistry, says Lisa Suatoni of the Natural Resources Defense Council, which produced the film. As the carbon reacts with the seawater, it's rapidly making the water more acidic.
How rapidly? "Ocean acidity has increased by 30% since the Industrial Revolution," Suatoni says. She says oceanic carbon dioxide may double again by the end of the century.
"This may challenge life on a scale that hasn't happened for tens of millions of years," narrator Sigourney Weaver says in the film.
The increased acidity corrodes seashells, and thousands of species build shells around them to live. "It removes the building block for producing shells," says Steve Palumbi of Stanford University. "A lot of organisms may not be able to survive."
But is the fear of ocean acidification overblown? Perhaps, say the authors of a study published in May in the academic journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The authors of the study, led by Rebecca Gooding of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, dispute the belief that ocean acidification harms all marine life forms and urged that caution should be taken when examining "overgeneralized predictions."
In addition to a battery of top ocean acidification scientists, including leading expert Ken Caldiera of the Carnegie Institution for Science, Acid Test infuses some regular-guy perspective from commercial fisherman Bruce Steele. He warns that ocean acidity puts many prime shellfish species at risk -- such as oysters, lobsters and Dungeness crabs -- all of which he and his fellow shellfishermen depend on for their livelihood.
"Either we change what we're doing on land or it will have profound effects on fisheries as we know it," he says.
The film also touches on the threats to the world's coral reefs, which can be damaged by ocean acidification as well as rising water temperatures. (c) Copyright 2009 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc.

Yet a report in the Guardian says exactly the opposite!!

Sea absorbing less CO2, scientists discover


Scientists have issued a new warning about climate change after discovering a sudden and dramatic collapse in the amount of carbon emissions absorbed by the Sea of Japan.


The shift has alarmed experts, who blame global warming.
The world's oceans soak up about 11bn tonnes of human carbon dioxide pollution each year, about a quarter of all produced, and even a slight weakening of this natural process would leave significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere. That would require countries to adopt much stricter emissions targets to prevent dangerous rises in temperature.


Kitack Lee, an associate professor at Pohang University of Science and Technology, who led the research, says the discovery is the "very first observation that directly relates ocean CO2 uptake change to ocean warming".


He says the warmer conditions disrupt a process known as "ventilation" - the way seawater flows and mixes and drags absorbed CO2 from surface waters to the depths. He warns that the effect is probably not confined to the Sea of Japan. It could also affect CO2 uptake in the Atlantic and Southern oceans.


"Our result in the East Sea unequivocally demonstrated that oceanic uptake of CO2 has been directly affected by warming-induced weakening of vertical ventilation," he says. Korea argues that the Sea of Japan should be renamed the East Sea, because it says the former is a legacy of Japan's military expansion in the region.


Lee adds: "In other words, the increase in atmospheric temperature due to global warming can profoundly influence the ocean ventilation, thereby decreasing the uptake rate of CO2."


Working with Pavel Tishchenko of the Russian Pacific Oceanological Institute in Vladivostok, Lee and his colleague Geun-Ha Park used a cruise on the Professor Gagarinskiy, a Russian research vessel, last May to take seawater samples from 24 sites across the Sea of Japan.



They compared the dissolved CO2 in the seawater with similar samples collected in 1992 and 1999. The results showed the amount of CO2 absorbed during 1999 to 2007 was half the level recorded from 1992 to 1999.


Crucially, the study revealed that ocean mixing, a process required to deposit carbon in deep water, where it is more likely to stay, appears to have significantly weakened.



Announcing their results in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, the scientists say: "The striking feature is that nearly all anthropogenic CO2 taken up in the recent period was confined to waters less than 300 metres in depth. The rapid and substantial reduction ... is surprising and is attributed to considerable weakening of overturning circulation."



Corinne Le Quéré, an expert in ocean carbon storage at the University of East Anglia, said: "We don't think the ocean is just going to completely stop taking our carbon dioxide emissions, but if the effect weakens then it has real consequences for the atmosphere."
 
kinda lacking in data there. For example, what were the pKA and pH of the pre-industrial revolution oceans? Considering both scales are logarithmic a 30% increase in either, really isn't that much of an increase. This is the type of reporting that one has to be careful not to be alarmist about.

It isn't alarmist to go down to the Keys to see the coral reefs being killed off in just a matter of decades. The wildlife they supported is declining at an even faster rate. The shore bird population is said to be down by 90%. We lived there and loved it, but now my wife can't bear to go back for a visit and see what is happening. The same thing is happening world wide. Sorry if that sounds "alarmist".
Screw logarithms, they're dying, my eyes and millions of others have seen and experienced what mathematics cannot and will not explain, prove, or disprove. I've heard the word "careful" so much lately I'm ready to puke.
 
Yet a report in the Guardian says exactly the opposite!!

Sea absorbing less CO2, scientists discover


Scientists have issued a new warning about climate change after discovering a sudden and dramatic collapse in the amount of carbon emissions absorbed by the Sea of Japan.


The shift has alarmed experts, who blame global warming.
The world's oceans soak up about 11bn tonnes of human carbon dioxide pollution each year, about a quarter of all produced, and even a slight weakening of this natural process would leave significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere. That would require countries to adopt much stricter emissions targets to prevent dangerous rises in temperature.


Kitack Lee, an associate professor at Pohang University of Science and Technology, who led the research, says the discovery is the "very first observation that directly relates ocean CO2 uptake change to ocean warming".


He says the warmer conditions disrupt a process known as "ventilation" - the way seawater flows and mixes and drags absorbed CO2 from surface waters to the depths. He warns that the effect is probably not confined to the Sea of Japan. It could also affect CO2 uptake in the Atlantic and Southern oceans.


"Our result in the East Sea unequivocally demonstrated that oceanic uptake of CO2 has been directly affected by warming-induced weakening of vertical ventilation," he says. Korea argues that the Sea of Japan should be renamed the East Sea, because it says the former is a legacy of Japan's military expansion in the region.


Lee adds: "In other words, the increase in atmospheric temperature due to global warming can profoundly influence the ocean ventilation, thereby decreasing the uptake rate of CO2."


Working with Pavel Tishchenko of the Russian Pacific Oceanological Institute in Vladivostok, Lee and his colleague Geun-Ha Park used a cruise on the Professor Gagarinskiy, a Russian research vessel, last May to take seawater samples from 24 sites across the Sea of Japan.



They compared the dissolved CO2 in the seawater with similar samples collected in 1992 and 1999. The results showed the amount of CO2 absorbed during 1999 to 2007 was half the level recorded from 1992 to 1999.


Crucially, the study revealed that ocean mixing, a process required to deposit carbon in deep water, where it is more likely to stay, appears to have significantly weakened.



Announcing their results in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, the scientists say: "The striking feature is that nearly all anthropogenic CO2 taken up in the recent period was confined to waters less than 300 metres in depth. The rapid and substantial reduction ... is surprising and is attributed to considerable weakening of overturning circulation."



Corinne Le Quéré, an expert in ocean carbon storage at the University of East Anglia, said: "We don't think the ocean is just going to completely stop taking our carbon dioxide emissions, but if the effect weakens then it has real consequences for the atmosphere."
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just start killing off all the humans, that will save the mother earth..

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