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Mary Kay Cosmetics- im viewing their website at work so i can only imagine what others sitting next to me might think, having said that I think Mary Kay is a low cost differentiator by providing higher quality products to women and putting God first over family and career, but i don't know why since gods never paid any of my bills. I think people try to invoke god too much why do people have to push their religion on others in their businesses? I personally don't believe in any God and this kind of statement would disuade me from buying from them.


then a HOLYROLLER types

I don't understand what religion and God have to due with Mary Kay.

then the ownage...


NOW FOR MY OWNAGE

You may have missed this from their site


http://www.marykay.com/company/aboutfound_wisdom_onfaith.aspx?tab=home

“My priorities have always been God first, family second, career third. I have found that when I put my life in this order, everything seems to work out. God was my first priority early in my career when I was struggling to make ends meet. Through the failures and success I have experienced since then, my faith has remained unchecked.”


Personally if "God" didn't make mistakes and made everyone good looking Mary Kay would be out of business. My point isn't so much about personal beliefs, but thats what they are... PERSONAL. I don't see many scientific sites that take a more scientific route, like pharamacuticles invoking evolution in their websites, but religion seems to be a different game. I personally can't stand it. Every year on Fox news there is a war on christmas, but miraculously Christmas comes the same time each year. Its like some weird fixation that christians feel the need to invoke this time and time again and push their views on the rest of us. They represent 80 percent of the populatioin maybe its some strategy to take market share, but i doubt it. One doesn't need religion to be a moral person, and religion doesn't make you successful


then the responses from other students....

I have to admit that I was put off when I read the site about MK's philosophy. I wouldn't buy MK products for that reason, even though she also champion's women's causes in foundations. Plus, I don't like pink.


It's ridiculous that this is even showcased on the website. This has no bearing on the product whatsoever. Personal beliefs should not be used to sell products. They should not be pushed upon consumers who are visiting the website with other purposes in mind.

There are other views of the founder noted on the site than can represent the views of the organization as a whole but this is surely not one of them.




people don't want holyrollers promoting their views in business....

LAY OFF HOLYROLLERS
 
you are one messed up dude Robby!

you don't believe in freedom at all....unless it is your own freedom...

you are being sooooo me me me it is astounding to me.

If Mary Kay wants to believe in what she says on her website, then let her believe it.

this is not a government company where someone's beliefs must be held private?

I really do not understand your bitch on this, I guess?
 
The founder of the company believes in God, therefore they must be a "holyroller" and against his lifestyle. Ergo, and because some chick in class agreed with him, he has owned another who also believes in God and therefore must think he is Evil Personified Walking Among Humanity...

Have I got this one down there, dawg?
 
CEOs talk about their inspirations all the time. I don't see the problem. They aren't saying that their product is ordained or anything.
 
Well, I don't completely agree. The question is not, does she believe in God? The question is, does she contribute to right-wing causes. My first suspicion upon reading what she has on her website, would be, this might be a big right wing contributer.

I will and do go out of my way not to support any business that I KNOW contributes to right wing causes. I know I must support some of them, but the minute it comes to my attention, I will not patronize them any longer.

So, if I were going to buy Mary Kay (which, totally not happening, I'm a Chanel/Bobbi Brown kind of girl) I'd look into what her other activites were first.
 
Darla said:
Well, I don't completely agree. The question is not, does she believe in God? The question is, does she contribute to right-wing causes. My first suspicion upon reading what she has on her website, would be, this might be a big right wing contributer.

I will and do go out of my way not to support any business that I KNOW contributes to right wing causes. I know I must support some of them, but the minute it comes to my attention, I will not patronize them any longer.

So, if I were going to buy Mary Kay (which, totally not happening, I'm a Chanel/Bobbi Brown kind of girl) I'd look into what her other activites were first.
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So, if my Pizza Place donated to Step 13 you would refuse to buy Pizza? Wow.
 
Abso-tively! I don't buy Dominoe's pizza because they fund right wing causes.

There are other pizza places Damo. That's what the eggheads like to call "the invisible hand of the free market at work".
 
Darla said:
Abso-tively! I don't buy Dominoe's pizza because they fund right wing causes.

There are other pizza places Damo. That's what the eggheads like to call "the invisible hand of the free market at work".
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I just find it amazing that the same people upset over others who wouldn't buy French Wine, or watch certain movies, or buy certain CDs, would be upset because somebody would donate to a more right wing homeless shelter than they would...

However, if she donates to the Right Wing causes, it is likely her own personal money rather than the company's money. Where do you draw the line. What if a company has more employees of a right-wing nature and therefore most of them donate to right-wing causes? Would you avoid that company?

What if the CEO only donated to right-wing causes from his personal funds, but every employee down the ladder donated to left-wing causes?
 
Most modern companies donate to both the R and D parties, buying their influence in the coin-operated government. Because of this do you refuse phone service? Or do you forgive them because they donated to the left-wing party at the same time?

I'm just not quite sure how you can possibly avoid buying stuff that may be produced by somebody who might donate to a right-wing cause. Most Farmers that I know donate to right-wing causes. Do you refuse to eat any food produced in the US? How far back do you go?
 
No you cannot avoid it completely. You can take steps to. I'm not speaking of companies who donate to both parties in order to play the political game.

I am talking about wealthy individuals who donate soley, not the republican party, but to right wing causes, for instance, anti-choice organizations. I don't know what's so difficult to understand. The owner of Dominoes is a wealthy individual who funds right wing causes.

Why on earth would I ever want to give him even a penny? I choose not to.

It is very easy also, to gain a list of socially responsible corporations and attempt to do business with them whenever
 
Then Darla, make sure you DO NOT buy at Home Depot and do buy at Lowes for any of your home needs... :)
 
Darla said:
No you cannot avoid it completely. You can take steps to. I'm not speaking of companies who donate to both parties in order to play the political game.

I am talking about wealthy individuals who donate soley, not the republican party, but to right wing causes, for instance, anti-choice organizations. I don't know what's so difficult to understand. The owner of Dominoes is a wealthy individual who funds right wing causes.

Why on earth would I ever want to give him even a penny? I choose not to.

It is very easy also, to gain a list of socially responsible corporations and attempt to do business with them whenever
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But how far back do you go? If you choose Pizza Hut because the franchise owner donates to iloveabortions.com you end up giving money to the butcher who donates to ikillabortiondoctors.com, and to the farmer who donates to iloveguns.com, and to the rancher who donates to...

Well, you get the picture.

I just love this from the same side who were upset about people refusing to buy Dixie Chick albums because they are artists and their positions shouldn't matter. So, if I were to donate to ilikethosepeoplewhodonatetorightwingers.com and owned a pizza place and in my own name I donated that money, you would refuse to do business with my pizza place and would instead go to another because of who I might donate to.

Works for me. I just can't quite figure out how far back you want to go and what you believe is wealthy. Almost every rancher that I know is wealthy. Almost all of them donate to right wing causes. If you really want to avoid donating to right-wing causes indirectly in such a manner you'd almost have to stop eating.

Even farmers and ranchers who do the free-range or organic thing are usually right-wingers taking advantage of a new market of people.
 
I was not upset that they did not buy dixie chicks albums, though I was upset that clear channel radio, a PUBLIC broadcasting station, pushed an agenda to rid them off the face of the earth
 
Even farmers and ranchers who do the free-range or organic thing are usually right-wingers taking advantage of a new market of people.

Just speaking from anecdotal evidence, most of the ranchers and growers I meet, are more of the libertarian persuasion. They don't like big government, but they sure as heck don't give a crap about legislating against gays, or flag burning. I wouldn't call them rightwingers, in the mold of the republican leadership. But, this is california of course ;)

I just helped get a local liberal orange-grower elected county supervisor ;)
 
Damocles said:
I just love this from the same side who were upset about people refusing to buy Dixie Chick albums because they are artists and their positions shouldn't matter.
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Personally, that was never why I was upset wtih -- well, contemptuous of, more correctly -- people who boycotted the Dixie Chicks. Boycotts for moral and ethical reasons are Good Things. Boycotts in favor of infantile, irresponsible and immoral causes are Bad Things. Simple, really.

I disliked them for what they believed not how they acted upon it. :p
 
People have the right to donate, and people have the right not to buy products that contribute to the donations.

The only aspect is when the donations being made are kept hidden, like McDonald's donations to the IRA (under the name NORAID) in the 1980's.
 
The wierd thing about the chicks boycott, is that it was all over some off-handed comment about them not liking Bush.

That's an insult on bush. Bush isn't the wife, girlfriend, or brother of any of those country music listeners. Why did they take it so personally? Is bush their deity? The insult wasn't even directed at the fans. If Bono said he was embarrassed of Clinton, it wouldn't even occur to me to stop listening to U2 music.

On the other hand, things like abortion right impact every single american, and many people do take that personally.
 
AnyOldIron said:
People have the right to donate, and people have the right not to buy products that contribute to the donations.

The only aspect is when the donations being made are kept hidden, like McDonald's donations to the IRA (under the name NORAID) in the 1980's.
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I wasn't speaking to rights here. I personally wouldn't buy from somebody who supported the KKK, or some super left-wing agenda and made a big deal of it. Just as others wouldn't donate to somebody who made a point of their donations to right-wing charities.

I was just wondering at what level people might go to avoid it.

If I liked the Dixie Chicks I'd buy their albums regardless of their political persuasion. I don't though.
 
I wouldn't buy anything that supported things I oppose, but I wouldn't campaign against them supporting something.

Ironically I've just been reading up on Locke's concept of toleration based on the irrationality of attempting to 'force' beliefs...

Even if a company donated to fascist causes it would be irrational to 'ban' them....
 
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