Romney should keep telling the truth about Obamacare rationing

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/romney-should-keep-focus-on-ipab/article/2510511/


Liberal fact-checkers have been working overtime to discredit Romney’s claim that this board will “ultimately tell patients what treatments they can receive.” PolitiFact, one self-appointed guardian of truth, rated Romney’s statement as “mostly false.” The board, it insisted, “can’t deny treatment” or “ration care” or “make health care decisions for individual Americans.” Rather it can only determine what doctors and hospitals are paid. Likewise, The Los Angeles Times maintained that the board could merely “recommend ways to reduce Medicare spending” – not cut benefits.

But the whole point of the board is to use price controls to discourage expensive treatments. Yes, it is possible that some good doctor will be willing to perform bypass surgeries for Medicare patients even when the board only allows, say, payment for aspirin. It’s also very unlikely. If the board decides to set payment for state-of-the-art dialysis at below cost, reasoning that the benefits of the procedure aren’t commensurate with the added expense, it isn’t rationing care directly. But it is indeed rationing care, because this would effectively consign patients to older treatments.

Before the recession, Medicare spending had been growing 2.6 percentage points faster than GDP. The program already pays out roughly $290 billion more in benefits than it receives in taxes, and it constitutes somewhere between $38.6 to $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities for the federal government.

The main reason for the government’s out-of-control Medicare spending is that Uncle Sam picks up most of the tab for seniors’ health care, giving them little incentive to curb consumption or shop for better prices. Instead of restoring this incentive, Congress has historically tried to curb spending by cutting reimbursement rates for providers.But this has repeatedly failed because providers are politically powerful. Every time automatic cuts have loomed, Congress has undone them by passing the so-called “doc fix.” ObamaCare tries to get around this democratic problem by shielding the IPAB from political accountability.
 
Excellent article.

Sure, if you disregard the bullshit.

Yes, it is possible that some good doctor will be willing to perform bypass surgeries for Medicare patients even when the board only allows, say, payment for aspirin

Yeah Damo, that's going to happen. Give me a break.
 
Sure, if you disregard the bullshit.

Yes, it is possible that some good doctor will be willing to perform bypass surgeries for Medicare patients even when the board only allows, say, payment for aspirin

Yeah Damo, that's going to happen. Give me a break.

Right... LOL. No doctor would do that, so you're right it isn't going to happen. That was one of the points of the sentence.
 
Excellent article.

Conspiracy theory aka Sarah Palin talking point.

Our country is fucked if you dummies take over.

And why the fuck should you care about 'rationing', I'm sure you have a great job and good insurance. You're not a freeloader, are you?
 
Sure, if you disregard the bullshit.

Yes, it is possible that some good doctor will be willing to perform bypass surgeries for Medicare patients even when the board only allows, say, payment for aspirin

Yeah Damo, that's going to happen. Give me a break.

It's happening now dumbass. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-20-medicare_N.htm

Your precious gobblement run healthcare will create two tiers of healthcare. Great healthcare for people like me who can afford it and know how to navigate the medical system. And shitty for people like you who can't afford it and don't know shit squat about healthcare. Of course you will be plied into believing it is free and that you and everyone else is getting the same shitty healthcare so you won't really care.

Meanwhile, I will get whatever I need and want.

Sucks to be you
 
It's happening now dumbass. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-20-medicare_N.htm

Your precious gobblement run healthcare will create two tiers of healthcare. Great healthcare for people like me who can afford it and know how to navigate the medical system. And shitty for people like you who can't afford it and don't know shit squat about healthcare. Of course you will be plied into believing it is free and that you and everyone else is getting the same shitty healthcare so you won't really care.

Meanwhile, I will get whatever I need and want.

Sucks to be you

Just wondered (genuinely) upon what, exactly, do you base your sig line quote? What was your president's lie that was the cause, total or partial, of the death of your ambassador?
 
Just wondered (genuinely) upon what, exactly, do you base your sig line quote? What was your president's lie that was the cause, total or partial, of the death of your ambassador?

Your question shows that you either didn't read my signature or didn't understand it.


Try again.
 
Your question shows that you either didn't read my signature or didn't understand it.


Try again.

Is the suggestion that a lie by Mr. Obama caused the death of your ambassador? If that is the case, what was the lie? Or did Mr. Obama lie AFTER your ambassador was killed? Again, what was the lie?
I'm not trying to catch you out, I just want to know.
 
Is the suggestion that a lie by Mr. Obama caused the death of your ambassador? If that is the case, what was the lie? Or did Mr. Obama lie AFTER your ambassador was killed? Again, what was the lie?
I'm not trying to catch you out, I just want to know.

The quote is clear. Our ambassador died, Obama lied. Very simple.
 
The quote is clear. Our ambassador died, Obama lied. Very simple.

So is it that you can't answer a simple question or is it that you won't answer a simple question.

For whichever scenario you like to choose

WHAT WAS THE LIE?

You say it is a quote. From whence came the quote?
 
So is it that you can't answer a simple question or is it that you won't answer a simple question.

For whichever scenario you like to choose

WHAT WAS THE LIE?

You say it is a quote. From whence came the quote?

Good luck, he is another of those arseholes that are incapable of explaining their position and prefer to use slogans and quotes instead.
 
So is it that you can't answer a simple question or is it that you won't answer a simple question.

For whichever scenario you like to choose

WHAT WAS THE LIE?

You say it is a quote. From whence came the quote?

Well since you appear uninformed

Ambassador died.

OWEbama blamed a video and said it was spontaneous protest. It was not. What part if that don't you understand?
 
Good luck, he is another of those arseholes that are incapable of explaining their position and prefer to use slogans and quotes instead.

Now we know. Obama, so well known in every corner of the world, as a liar, a communist, a muslim and a Kenyan, sat down one day and said to himself, 'if I can think of a good story I can get our Libyan ambassador killed. Yippee. That's just what I want as an anti American communist. Yippee.'
Alias or whatever your stupid name is, you are, quite possibly, the stupidest, least informed, least intelligent American who has ever sullied this strange forum with his fetid presence. Grow up for chrissakes.
 
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