Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Let's just stop right there and get a source for this little nugget.

This should be good.

Nope, sorry... not going to divert the thread conversation to go run find you a link to what is common knowledge. My tax dollars fund a variety of government websites where you can find this information, and you are not 'entitled' to have it presented to you by me. Get off your lazy ass and go look it up. If you find my number is wrong, you will already have the convenient link to show me.

 

[Bonestorm]

Nope, sorry... not going to divert the thread conversation to go run find you a link to what is common knowledge. My tax dollars fund a variety of government websites where you can find this information, and you are not 'entitled' to have it presented to you by me. Get off your lazy ass and go look it up. If you find my number is wrong, you will already have the convenient link to show me.

Lolerpops.

Ah, the blissfully ignorant.

 

[CanceledB]

Nope, sorry... not going to divert the thread conversation to go run find you a link to what is common knowledge. My tax dollars fund a variety of government websites where you can find this information, and you are not 'entitled' to have it presented to you by me. Get off your lazy ass and go look it up. If you find my number is wrong, you will already have the convenient link to show me.

Gee whiz - seems like no matter how many CAPS he uses, Dixie just can't convince anyone of anything these days...I wonder why that is??

 

[Mott the Hoople]

No he's not, because the 70% of retirees who pay no income tax are retired and wouldn't owe any income tax. You have to remove them from your equation, because that isn't part of the whole. This is where YOUR arithmetic is failing.

What? Dixie, just because your retired has nothing at all to do with wether or not you owe income taxes. That's a rediculous non-sequitur.

 

[Bonestorm]

Also, too, it should be noted that one of the major reasons that working people with children (another huge component of the 46%) don't pay taxes is the Earned Income Tax Credit, which Reagan expanded in 1986 and was modified as part of the Welfare reform under Clinton. It's basically designed to reward work and to push people off of government dependence. There's also the child tax credit, again passed by a Republican Congress under Clinton and expanded by both Bush and Obama.

Aside from the elderly, a lot of the people that have no federal income tax liability as a result of Republican policies.

 

[hazlnut]

Where are liberals getting their numbers? Retired people don't pay income tax because they are retired and no longer earn an income. That was not who Romney was referring to.

But they are included in that 47%.

As are veterans returning home.

Social Security is not an entitlement that people feel the government owes them, and Romney didn't claim it was or imply it. That is what YOU are claiming he meant, so it must be what you believe! Revealing, isn't it?

A) Social Security is a U.S. Government entitlement program. You qualify for it (entitled) under certain conditions.

B) Try telling seniors the government doesn't owe them Social Security.

C) The simple and direct message he was conveying to that audience is what he meant. You want to start speculating on what he really believes in his heart, and what his policies might be, go ahead.

The most glaring contradiction is the assumption that ALL Social Security retirees are voting for Obama! Not only are you trying to lump them all in with the welfare queens and deadbeats, you are claiming this is who Romney was targeting with his comments, when he said nothing remotely close to that.

Romney and the GOP Ministry of Talking Points (Fox News) did that 'lumping in'. They lumped every senior and many veterans in with those abusing welfare in urban areas and areas like Appalachia. The talking point is meant to imply 'welfare queens' but that is not the truth about the statistic 47%.

The 47% number Romney mentioned, does not include retirees on Social Security.

Um, yeah it does.

And veterans too.

He is referring to the 47% who are a part of the current workforce in America (retirees are not) who do not pay any federal income tax, and who believe that government owes them stuff.

Yes, the talking point was meant to imply that a surprisingly high number of working poor are getting away with something... That's why we call it misleading. It's only true one you completely qualify it in the context of the recession and the marriage tax credit.

I happen to personally know a bunch of people who draw SS retirement benefits, who don't believe the government owes them stuff. So there again, is a glaring contradiction.

Contradiction indeed. You're "friends" don't believe the Government owes them stuff, yet they went through the process of applying for social security-- "Give me what you owe me."

I suggest your friends use their next benefits check to purchase a shedder in which to put the rest of their benefits checks.

 

[Phantasmal]

But they are included in that 47%.

As are veterans returning home.




A) Social Security is a U.S. Government entitlement program. You qualify for it (entitled) under certain conditions.

B) Try telling seniors the government doesn't owe them Social Security.

C) The simple and direct message he was conveying to that audience is what he meant. You want to start speculating on what he really believes in his heart, and what his policies might be, go ahead.



Romney and the GOP Ministry of Talking Points (Fox News) did that 'lumping in'. They lumped every senior and many veterans in with those abusing welfare in urban areas and areas like Appalachia. The talking point is meant to imply 'welfare queens' but that is not the truth about the statistic 47%.



Um, yeah it does.

And veterans too.



Yes, the talking point was meant to imply that a surprisingly high number of working poor are getting away with something... That's why we call it misleading. It's only true one you completely qualify it in the context of the recession and the marriage tax credit.



Contradiction indeed. You're "friends" don't believe the Government owes them stuff, yet they went through the process of applying for social security-- "Give me what you owe me."

I suggest your friends use their next benefits check to purchase a shedder in which to put the rest of their benefits checks.

Ahahahahaha! Great idea!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You know I find Romney's explanation of his comment just as offending as his original stupid comment. He said that he was contrasting the difference between Obama's government centered society in which people are dependent on governemnt and his free market approach where people are free to pursue their dreams.

This folks is an utterly false dichotomy. One can both believe in effective government and in the free market. To use an analogy, what Mitt said is like saying you can't believe in evolution and Christianity. It's completly untrue and offensive to any thinking person.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

What? Dixie, just because your retired has nothing at all to do with wether or not you owe income taxes. That's a rediculous non-sequitur.

Uhm... yes, when you are retired and earn no income, you don't pay income tax. Sorry you were confused about how that works. The key to understanding is found in the word "income" here. Now you are wanting to include this group into what Romney was talking about, but they don't belong in that group, because he was talking about the current workforce, 47% of whom do not pay income tax. That 47% does not include retired people who don't earn incomes anymore, they are retired. It also doesn't include dead people, they don't pay income taxes either. The ridiculous non-sequitur is YOUR claim that Romney was talking about people who aren't part of the whole, they aren't part of the workforce anymore, they aren't expected to pay taxes on incomes they don't earn.

 

[Bonestorm]

Uhm... yes, when you are retired and earn no income, you don't pay income tax. Sorry you were confused about how that works. The key to understanding is found in the word "income" here. Now you are wanting to include this group into what Romney was talking about, but they don't belong in that group, because he was talking about the current workforce, 47% of whom do not pay income tax. That 47% does not include retired people who don't earn incomes anymore, they are retired. It also doesn't include dead people, they don't pay income taxes either. The ridiculous non-sequitur is YOUR claim that Romney was talking about people who aren't part of the whole, they aren't part of the workforce anymore, they aren't expected to pay taxes on incomes they don't earn.

Social security benefits are income, Dix. Dividends are income. Pension benefits are income. Capital gains are income. 401(k) distributions are income. IRA distributions are income. Not all of these are always taxable income, but they're always income.

We know who Romney was talking about. The number comes from the Tax Policy Center. I already provided a link to a study about who comprises the 46%. It includes a whole hell of a lot of elderly people.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You know I find Romney's explanation of his comment just as offending as his original stupid comment. He said that he was contrasting the difference between Obama's government centered society in which people are dependent on governemnt and his free market approach where people are free to pursue their dreams.

This folks is an utterly false dichotomy. One can both believe in effective government and in the free market. To use an analogy, what Mitt said is like saying you can't believe in evolution and Christianity. It's completly untrue and offensive to any thinking person.

Again, what you are (dishonestly) trying to do, is interject your opinion of what he said into what he actually said. Yes, what you falsely accuse Mitt Romney of saying, is completely untrue and offensive to any thinking person. You believe that you can interject your opinion of what he said into what he actually said, and people will be gullible enough to believe you. The problem is, anyone who is honest and objective, can clearly see that Romney didn't say what you claim he meant, and it is YOU who is being completely dishonest.

My question is, if this election is essentially over and Obama has secured victory, why the need for this sort of thing? This is what desperate people do when they have no other option. Why do we suddenly have a speech from Romney in MAY, dominating the media today? Why is it, to a fault, every liberal who has weighed in on this, has to tell us what Romney meant, instead of accepting what he actually said, which was absolutely correct and true? My guess is, this election is not as much of a "slam dunk" as you're claiming, and the recent poll numbers indicate your boy is in real trouble. Again... this is the kind of dishonest tactic people who are desperate use, not people who are winning.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Uhm... yes, when you are retired and earn no income, you don't pay income tax. Sorry you were confused about how that works. The key to understanding is found in the word "income" here. Now you are wanting to include this group into what Romney was talking about, but they don't belong in that group, because he was talking about the current workforce, 47% of whom do not pay income tax. That 47% does not include retired people who don't earn incomes anymore, they are retired. It also doesn't include dead people, they don't pay income taxes either. The ridiculous non-sequitur is YOUR claim that Romney was talking about people who aren't part of the whole, they aren't part of the workforce anymore, they aren't expected to pay taxes on incomes they don't earn.

Dixie, again that's a non-sequitur. My father is retired and he pays significant taxes because he has a fairly decent retirement income based off his investments. Just because you are retired does not mean you don't pay taxes. You only avoid paying federal taxes if your gross adjusted income drops below a certain level. Being retired has nothing to do with it.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Social security benefits are income, Dix. Dividends are income. Pension benefits are income. Capital gains are income. 401(k) distributions are income. IRA distributions are income. Not all of these are always taxable income, but they're always income.

We know who Romney was talking about. The number comes from the Tax Policy Center. I already provided a link to a study about who comprises the 46%. It includes a whole hell of a lot of elderly people.

No, Social Security pensions are NOT taxable income, they never have been, never will be. You can keep trying to insist this is who Romney was talking about, it's simply a LIE. And again, not all elderly people drawing SS are voting for Obama, so there goes that myth anyway!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Again, what you are (dishonestly) trying to do, is interject your opinion of what he said into what he actually said. Yes, what you falsely accuse Mitt Romney of saying, is completely untrue and offensive to any thinking person. You believe that you can interject your opinion of what he said into what he actually said, and people will be gullible enough to believe you. The problem is, anyone who is honest and objective, can clearly see that Romney didn't say what you claim he meant, and it is YOU who is being completely dishonest.

My question is, if this election is essentially over and Obama has secured victory, why the need for this sort of thing? This is what desperate people do when they have no other option. Why do we suddenly have a speech from Romney in MAY, dominating the media today? Why is it, to a fault, every liberal who has weighed in on this, has to tell us what Romney meant, instead of accepting what he actually said, which was absolutely correct and true? My guess is, this election is not as much of a "slam dunk" as you're claiming, and the recent poll numbers indicate your boy is in real trouble. Again... this is the kind of dishonest tactic people who are desperate use, not people who are winning.

I'm not stating an opinion Dixie. I stated a fact. Romney's comment is a false dichotomy. It's not an either or situation. Only someone how is incredibly stupid would believe that.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, again that's a non-sequitur. My father is retired and he pays significant taxes because he has a fairly decent retirement income based off his investments. Just because you are retired does not mean you don't pay taxes. You only avoid paying federal taxes if your gross adjusted income drops below a certain level. Being retired has nothing to do with it.

Romney wasn't talking about people who are retired and drawing social security. Sorry... he just wasn't! THAT is a LIE! You can keep yapping your lie, you can keep trying to sell gullible people on this, but it's still a goddamn lie.

 

[hazlnut]

That 47% does not include retired people who don't earn incomes anymore, they are retired.

So, they don't earn an income and they still pay income tax? Hardly seems fair.

You're wrong. That 47% misleading talking point included seniors, veterans, and working poor.

There is no 'fact' entitlement program. You can't have your own. Facts are facts.

It also doesn't include dead people, they don't pay income taxes either.

A lot of very wealthy people would argue otherwise. Unless you died in 2010.

The ridiculous non-sequitur is YOUR claim that Romney was talking about people who aren't part of the whole, they aren't part of the workforce anymore, they aren't expected to pay taxes on incomes they don't earn.

But they are included in that 47% talking point, that's how the GOP race-baiting machine gets the number so surprisingly high. They framed the talking point around a number that sounds worse than it really is in the context of a recession and how we adjust taxable revenue with tax credits to poor families.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I'm not stating an opinion Dixie. I stated a fact. Romney's comment is a false dichotomy. It's not an either or situation. Only someone how is incredibly stupid would believe that.

Yes, you are stating an opinion, dickhead. Sorry if you don't comprehend what an opinion is.

 

[Bonestorm]

No, Social Security pensions are NOT taxable income, they never have been, never will be. You can keep trying to insist this is who Romney was talking about, it's simply a LIE. And again, not all elderly people drawing SS are voting for Obama, so there goes that myth anyway!

I didn't say that Social Security benefits are taxable income (though they often are). I said that they are income. You said that they weren't income.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes, you are stating an opinion, dickhead. Sorry if you don't comprehend what an opinion is.

and I'm sorry if you don't know what a false dichotomy is.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

So, they don't earn an income and they still pay income tax? Hardly seems fair.

You're wrong. That 47% misleading talking point included seniors, veterans, and working poor.

There is no 'fact' entitlement program. You can't have your own. Facts are facts.




A lot of very wealthy people would argue otherwise. Unless you died in 2010.



But they are included in that 47% talking point, that's how the GOP race-baiting machine gets the number so surprisingly high. They framed the talking point around a number that sounds worse than it really is in the context of a recession and how we adjust taxable revenue with tax credits to poor families.

No, retired people who are drawing the pensions they paid into the system, are NOT who Romney was referring to. Sorry! That is a LIE and a misconception of what he said. You are a liar, and you continue to parade your lie around as the truth. This is what people who are desperate do. This is and indicator that Obama is in deep trouble, and Liberals know it. That's why we have a speech from May being dissected and parsed, and morphed into something the man never said.