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"Ron Paul supporters may be using e-mail spam and dirty tricks to gin up support for their presidential candidate on the Internet.

"This is clearly a criminal act in support of a campaign, which has been committed with or without [its] knowledge," University of Alabama at Birmingham computer-forensics expert Gary Warner told Wired News.


Warner was referring to a wave of pro-Paul e-mails that flooded the Internet after the most recent Republican presidential debate on Oct. 21.

The e-mails had subject lines such as "Ron Paul Wins GOP Debate! HMzjoqO" and "Ron Paul Exposes Federal Reserve! SBHBcSO."

The funny character strings are common methods to defeat spam filters.

Warner says his lab traced the e-mails back to servers in Asia, Africa, South America and Europe — signifying that whoever sent them may have used a botnet, or world-wide network of hijacked computers, to pump out massive volumes of e-mail."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307056,00.html
 
All of these spammed and internet "polled" frauds have proven to be absolute failures and should be learned and studied as how not to run a political campaign. Paul hasn't moved much at all in real measurables and benchmarks of popular support since the day he entered the race. The "Ron Paul Revolution" hasn't even proved to be a skirmish.

He is ignored by much of the press because they don't want their servers spammed to capacity by this tactic of trying to fabricate widespread suport when there is none. If they write an article about him and have the nerve to suggest ANYTHING negative about him or his vapid legislative record, they are sure to get spammed by Ronbots who pretend that this man has never done anything wrong in his life. Anything negative to say about his record or his history musy be considered unture no matter how many mountains of evidence there is to the contrary.

Ronbots can thank their own ill-thought out strategy for their candidate being ignored by the press.
 
bac, you even distort the distorted article that in no way indicates that this is how Paul intends to "run a pollitical campaign."

The article does not give enough info on what is in the spammed emails. Spam is used to sale crap or get you to click on a link. Are the Ron Paul subject lines just used to get people you to open the email?
 
RStringfield said:
bac, you even distort the distorted article that in no way indicates that this is how Paul intends to "run a pollitical campaign."

The article does not give enough info on what is in the spammed emails. Spam is used to sale crap or get you to click on a link. Are the Ron Paul subject lines just used to get people you to open the email?
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Maybe Paul has a "ghostwriter" running his campaign.

If you're suggesting that Paul and his campaign staff are not aware of the machinations of many of his supporters and their love of spam .. that's impossible to believe. Even some of those who supportb him have contacted his campaign and asked them to direct his operatives to tone down the spam and the email flooding.
 
blackascoal said:
Maybe Paul has a "ghostwriter" running his campaign.

If you're suggesting that Paul and his campaign staff are not aware of the machinations of many of his supporters and their love of spam .. that's impossible to believe. Even some of those who supportb him have contacted his campaign and asked them to direct his operatives to tone down the spam and the email flooding.
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You are full of shit. Anything to back this up?

The meetup groups, yahoo lists, youtube, etc., were not organized by the campaign, but spontaneously by supporters. If anything the direction has been coming from the roots to the campaign as the campaign has moved to hrness the spontaneous efforts of disbursed supporters.
 
Let me begin by saying that I am in broad agreement with paul on foreign policy. That caveat is necessary, because I occasionally get falsely beat up for being a ron paul hater. I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to him honestly, so I can’t say I hate him.

As for the dishonest spamming and faking of poll results, this doesn’t surprise me. I have the impression that the average ron paul demographic is white, male, and about age 21. In a sense, while I feel the enthusiasm is genuine, I think there’s a bit of young testosterone-laden game playing here. Politics as a football game, as it were.

Outside of the war in Iraq, traditional libertarians can’t sell their message. For half a century they haven’t been able to. Few people are going to get excited about a flat tax, abolishing the 17th amendment, or eliminating the US Environmental Agency. A true insurgent political campaign, based on political values that sell and resonates with a broad cross section of people, is entirely possible given the right candidate. . Like the Howard Dean campaign. But, the libertarian platform simply doesn’t sell. If you can’t sell your ideology (and if you happen to be young and male), the next best thing might to be to fool around and play games with polls and spam. Short of actually being able to sell your message, dishonest spamming may be the only real thing that makes one feel like they’re helping to move a campaign forward.
 
You do realize, Cypress, that your offered explanation is much too deep for and apt to be rejected by the average Ron Paul supporter that you describe (white, male, 21).
 
Neither Ron Paul nor libertarians in general pitch a flat tax. Paul and most libertarians will tell you taxation does not matter much when government spending levels are high.

Your impression is baseless. Go to a meetup event. In SF all the primary local organizers were women. At the events I attended there were people of all ages and races. Many asians were in attendence.

And your claims for playing games have nothing to back them. The spam story clearly indicates that the person discovering the spam did not believe Paul was involved and could not ensure that a Paul supporter was behind it.

What sort of games are being played with the straw polls?

Once again, the reality is obvious to those who don't insist on spreading lies (either for or against Paul). Paul's support is energized and commited. His activist base is large. Unfortunately, his support among non activist is very small. It may not, probably will not, translate, but is still impressive (and encouraging to those of us who support Paul).
 
leaningright said:
You do realize, Cypress, that your offered explanation is much too deep for and apt to be rejected by the average Ron Paul supporter that you describe (white, male, 21).
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Deep? LOL, it is ridiculously shallow. It is as ridiculous as would be a Paul supporter arguing that Paul will actually win (if that were reality or anything more than bac's strawman).

There is no basis for the claims of spamming (no one knows who the spammer is) and faking poll results. Just how are the online/text poll results being "faked."

Are the straw polls being "faked" too? How does cypress's hypothesis explain those straw poll results? It does not. But my argument that he has a large activist base, with little support among non activist, does.
 
OH, come on, RS. Libertarians have the highest proportion of men out of any political group. Populists are mostly women, libertarians mostly men.
 
Watermark said:
OH, come on, RS. Libertarians have the highest proportion of men out of any political group. Populists are mostly women, libertarians mostly men.
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I definitely agree. Does not change the fact that the three meetup groups in the SF area I participated with were all lead by women or that there were many women and minorities at the events I went too. I mentioned before that I was surprised by it.
 
This idea that the Paul campaign has made no important empirical gains is simply flat wrong and downright ignorant.

Paul is ahead of Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee in New Hampshire, and has outfundraised, out organized and advertised more than every candidate but Romney.

The campaign is not only growing internally, it is gaining in statewide polls, which is all that matters in a nomination contest.

Ron Paul will place in Iowa and now the discussion among experts is whether he will WIN New Hampshire.

...And I don't know what will happen in the end, but I'm hitting the streets in South Carolina, and not letting other people--especially clearly wrong people--make up my mind for me.
 
Yeah Damo I just get the spam about enhancing wither male or femal sex stuff....
Or selling drugs or fake Rolex's....
 
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