Ronald Reagan at 100: The Darker Legacy

WinterBorn said:
Ok, I was wrong. This is the funniest line of the day.
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May be funny, but it's true. I am moderate on most everything. Name the issue... Gay Marriage? I am in favor of Civil Unions and getting government out of the marriage licensing business.... that's a MODERATE position, not FAR RIGHT! The FAR RIGHT position is to ban homosexuality in America! Abortion? I am okay with limited abortion where life of the mother is at stake, rape, incest cases, etc. I am even okay with first-trimester abortion, if there is sufficient counseling and we can be honest about what is being aborted. Not many FAR RIGHTIES share my view on this. So there are the two top social issues of our time, and on both of them, I have a fairly moderate viewpoint. On various other social issues, I strongly favor allowing the citizens to decide for themselves at the ballot box, and I'll live with the result. I don't go around demanding people live by my mandates, I can live with the will of the people on this stuff. How is that FAR RIGHT?
 
WinterBorn said:
I don't disagree that there are people who worship Obama and Clinton. I misspoke what I was trying to say. Despite the people who want to point at Obama or Clinton as examples of great presidents, there is nothing in my lifetime to come close to the fervor with which the members of the Church of The Gipper proclaim his name.

Any mention of negative things about Reagan brings out the dogs. And on this topic, Dixie is not rare.
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There hasn't been a great President in my life time. Clinton may have been the best in my life time but he was not as significant as either Ike or Truman and can't even remotely be compared to FDR.
 
Yurt said:
i've seen folks as USMB laud obama like he is christ, no matter what. i've also met some in my laugh who laud clinton like he did nothing wrong and seen them on message boards....i don't doubt your experience, but i think worshippers abound on both sides.

dixie is a far, far rightwing individual, the right can do no wrong and in fact he believes i'm a left wing wacko....i don't doubt there are others like dixie, but i just don't see it on the level you have. perhaps because i live in liberal cali on the coast
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Well if Dixie thinks your a left wing wacko then you're all right in my book!
 
Dixie said:
May be funny, but it's true. I am moderate on most everything. Name the issue... Gay Marriage? I am in favor of Civil Unions and getting government out of the marriage licensing business.... that's a MODERATE position, not FAR RIGHT! The FAR RIGHT position is to ban homosexuality in America! Abortion? I am okay with limited abortion where life of the mother is at stake, rape, incest cases, etc. I am even okay with first-trimester abortion, if there is sufficient counseling and we can be honest about what is being aborted. Not many FAR RIGHTIES share my view on this. So there are the two top social issues of our time, and on both of them, I have a fairly moderate viewpoint. On various other social issues, I strongly favor allowing the citizens to decide for themselves at the ballot box, and I'll live with the result. I don't go around demanding people live by my mandates, I can live with the will of the people on this stuff. How is that FAR RIGHT?
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You have compared homosexuality to bestiality. And I'm calling BS on your being okay with 1st trimester abortion...BIGTIME.

You are far, far right.
 
Dixie said:
I'm not "far far right" at all. I am quite moderate and a fiscally conservative. I also don't think you are a left-wing wacko, I think you are a misguided libertarian moderate who is very easily duped by liberal propaganda, or a former 'compassionate conservative' who still thinks we need to work with liberals and try to get along. When you are posting as yourself, you seem to be fairly inline conservative with your views, very similar to my own... but when your wife or gay lover posts as you, the viewpoint is off the charts to the left. I really wish you'd set them up with their own account here, it's not that hard to do, I am sure Grind or Damo can help with that.
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you're a nutcase dixie...you always have nice things to say about me when i agree with your position, the minute i don't, its -- yurt's a different person!!!!!!@E#$R@%$%$#%#

no one posts on this account but me. sorry to once again have to set your troubled mind straight, but hopefully someday it wil get through that thick skull of yours and simply just debate with me without resorting to this wacky theory i'm multiple people posting under one account simply because you don't agree with me.

and you a moderate...........LOOOOOOL
 
Onceler said:
You have compared homosexuality to bestiality. And I'm calling BS on your being okay with 1st trimester abortion...BIGTIME.

You are far, far right.
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Yes, I compared one sexually deviant behavior with another. One is socially acceptable and the other is not, that is the only difference. You haven't refuted that, you just act offended by it, but there is no need in being offended by the truth. You can call BS all you like, I didn't say I am okay with 1st trimester abortions under any and all circumstance. I specifically said, I am okay with them as long as we are honest about what we are aborting and people have sufficient counseling. And in either event, I am perfectly okay with the voters of the state deciding what law they wish to establish.

You can call me "far right" all you like, I am used to being called much worse, I don't mind, I just wanted to set the record straight, my viewpoints are FAR from FAR right, they are fairly MODERATE.
 
Onceler said:
Ever hear of a concept called "consent"?

You're a ridiculous bigot...
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What does consent have to do with whether something deviates from the norm sexually or not? I am not arguing that homosexuality should be illegal or that bestiality should be legal, those arguments might involve consent. What I said is the truth, nothing more. Consent has nothing to do with it, neither does bigotry.
 
Dixie said:
What does consent have to do with whether something deviates from the norm sexually or not? I am not arguing that homosexuality should be illegal or that bestiality should be legal, those arguments might involve consent. What I said is the truth, nothing more. Consent has nothing to do with it, neither does bigotry.
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You said that was the "only difference," loser.

You ain't no moderate, Dix. You hate homosexuality, and you are vehemently opposed to abortion. There is nothing at all moderate about your views.
 
Onceler said:
You said that was the "only difference," loser.

You ain't no moderate, Dix. You hate homosexuality, and you are vehemently opposed to abortion. There is nothing at all moderate about your views.
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Being pro liberal policies are not the defining marks of being moderate- they are defining marks of being liberal.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Being pro liberal policies are not the defining marks of being moderate- they are defining marks of being liberal.
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Try to keep up a little, ID - I'm not the one who brought up being "okay" with abortion & supporting civil unions as examples of being a moderate. Dixie did. I merely pointed to the fact that he's lying.

And if you think Dix is a moderate, you're nuts....
 
Onceler said:
You said that was the "only difference," loser.

You ain't no moderate, Dix. You hate homosexuality, and you are vehemently opposed to abortion. There is nothing at all moderate about your views.
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As far as sexual behaviors go, that is the difference! One is accepted in society... (probably because of consent) and the other is not. BOTH are sexually deviant behaviors. I don't hate gay people, I happen to like most gay people I know. I don't have anything personal against goat fuckers either, I am sure they are just like everyone else, some good and some bad. You can say all you want to about what you wrongly think my viewpoints are, I have articulated them here, so people can decide whether to believe me or you, I don't really care. I don't consider myself "far right" at all, I am mostly moderate on social issues, and very fiscally conservative. I'm almost a libertarian, if they weren't such pinheads, I probably would be one.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Being pro liberal policies are not the defining marks of being moderate- they are defining marks of being liberal.
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i don't see why liberals get all the social policies under their umbrella. gay marriage - that should be a conservative platform as by and large cons believe the government should not interfere with family and stay out of our homes...see second amendment, self defense (castle) cases....

there is a huge base of conservatives who do not support the religious rights social policies, i don't think that makes that conservative a liberal or a follower of liberal policies...
 
Onceler said:
Try to keep up a little, ID - I'm not the one who brought up being "okay" with abortion & supporting civil unions as examples of being a moderate. Dixie did. I merely pointed to the fact that he's lying.

And if you think Dix is a moderate, you're nuts....
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What's a moderate oncler? A moderate imo is a person willing to compromise on the periphreals; holding true to their core values and who won't neccesarilly walk lock-step if their party breaks from core values- like conservative domestic economic policy. I have heard some pretty reasonable compromises from Dix on both subjects of gay marriage and abortion. I have heard him critisize GOP policy- that makes him more moderate then say a christiefan who is a pure lock-step liberal democrat always acting the liberal apologist.
 
Yurt said:
i don't see why liberals get all the social policies under their umbrella. gay marriage - that should be a conservative platform as by and large cons believe the government should not interfere with family and stay out of our homes...see second amendment, self defense (castle) cases....

there is a huge base of conservatives who do not support the religious rights social policies, i don't think that makes that conservative a liberal or a follower of liberal policies...
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Correct. Big government conservatives like Dixie run around claiming they want minimalist government, and then they insist that the government interfere in people's personal lives and that out military keep ballooning like a cancer. Small government? Laughable. The single biggest part of the government is the military, but you'll never see one of these big government conservatives talk about that.

Its been the goal of the parties to galvanize people around talking points.

Big government conservatives are merely republican puppets. They follow the party and allow it to dictate their beliefs.

Dixie thinks that Reagan made NO mistakes and had NO scandals. While I like reagan and think he was a good president, saying such a thing is obviously stupid and regurgitated revisionist history.

Its really quite bizarre how these big government conservatives let their party lead them around by the nose, and take pride in doing so.
 
Ice Dancer said:
What's a moderate oncler? A moderate imo is a person willing to compromise on the periphreals; holding true to their core values and who won't neccesarilly walk lock-step if their party breaks from core values- like conservative domestic economic policy. I have heard some pretty reasonable compromises from Dix on both subjects of gay marriage and abortion. I have heard him critisize GOP policy- that makes him more moderate then say a christiefan who is a pure lock-step liberal democrat always acting the liberal apologist.
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A moderate is someone who is characterized by fairly moderate views, and who doesn't display overt allegiance to a party.

I can't read the sentence I just wrote and think "Dixie."
 
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