Ronald Reagan Documentary

President Carter and President Obama do have some things in common, they both were elected after disasters of presidents and were charged with cleaning up huge messes.

President Carter was blamed for the mess Presidents Nixon and Ford created, they are trying to blame President Obama for the mess Presidnet Bush created.

We will soon see if our nation has grown since 79' and diveloped an attention span long enough to not have such a knee jerk political reaction.

LMAO... Obviously you haven't read a thing on this thread.

It was FORD that cleaned up after Nixon.

CARTER did not inherit a mess. FORD did. Reagan did. Carter did not. Carter CREATED a mess.

As for Obama, Clinton had a large hand in creating the economic downturn. So did Bush. Obama could have focused on jobs and the economy but instead he went off to create yet another government program that we cannot afford. Instead he ran up massive deficits with NOTHING to show for it.

Carter's economic problems didn't hit hard until the end of his term, Obama knew from day one what the problems were and he has still done nothing to solve them.
 
Carter was a failed leader. 100% FAILURE.

You can go on pretending that Volcker 'did the same thing' under Reagan and Carter. But the numbers do not support your position. Not in the least.

President Carter was actually largely responsable for the "Regan recovery", it takes time for economic policy to affect the economy. It does not happen in a couple months, it happens in a couple years. That is why Bush and Regan get some credit for the Clinton Economy. The economy takes a lot of time to respond to changes in policy.

If the American people had a better attention span, this would be better understood.
 
President Carter was actually largely responsable for the "Regan recovery", it takes time for economic policy to affect the economy. It does not happen in a couple months, it happens in a couple years. That is why Bush and Regan get some credit for the Clinton Economy. The economy takes a lot of time to respond to changes in policy.

If the American people had a better attention span, this would be better understood.

1) Regan was Sec Treasury
2) Reagan was the President
3) The two years after Carter were a recession Jarod... a recession created by Volcker's efforts to kill inflation. Something done under Reagan, not Carter.
4) What policies of Carters do you think are 'responsable' for the 'Regan recovery'?
 
President Carter was actually largely responsable for the "Regan recovery", it takes time for economic policy to affect the economy. It does not happen in a couple months, it happens in a couple years. That is why Bush and Regan get some credit for the Clinton Economy. The economy takes a lot of time to respond to changes in policy.

If the American people had a better attention span, this would be better understood.

Which brings us to myth number two: Jimmy Carter wrecked the economy, and Reagan's bold tax cuts saved it.
This is utterly absurd. Economic growth indices -- GDP, jobs, revenues -- were all positive when Carter left office. All plunged after Reagan policies took effect.
Reagan didn't cure inflation, the main economic problem during the Carter years. Carter's Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker tried when he raised interest rates. That's the opposite of what Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has done to keep inflation low.
Carter's policies and people fought inflation, but maintained real growth. On the other hand, Reagan's policies helped cause the worst recession since the Great Depression: two bleak years with nearly double-digit unemployment! Reaganomics failed in less than a year, and it took an entire second year for the economy to recover from the failure.
Carter didn't cause the inflation problem, but his tough policies and smart personnel solved it. Unfortunately for Carter, it took too long for the good results to kick in. Not only didn't Reagan help whip inflation, he actually opposed the Volcker policies!




http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020319Hersh.html
 
Carter was a failed leader. 100% FAILURE.

You can go on pretending that Volcker 'did the same thing' under Reagan and Carter. But the numbers do not support your position. Not in the least.


It's nice to know that you hold Volker in such high regard. You think he got bossed around by a complete failure. What I don't understand about your theory is (1) why Carter nominated him for the FED in light of his overt commitment to restraining inflation through high interest rates; (2) why Carter allowed Volker to ramp up the fed funds target to 19% in the first instance during an election year; (3) why Carter allowed Volker to have interest rates increase from the end of the 1980 recession through election day 1980; and (4) why Volker would give a shit what Carter wanted. None of it makes any sense.

It's obvious that you've started at the conclusion that Ronald Reagan was the best president evah and that Jimmy Carter was the worst and, working backwards from there, ridiculously conclude that Reagan in his grand magnificence allowed Volker to do his thing while Jimmy Carter didn't. The most likely scenario is that Volker did his thing, regardless of what either president wanted him to do. Of course, recognizing this wouldn't allow you to heap praise on St. Ronnie and scorn on Carter so you reject it.
 
The economy takes a lot of time to respond to changes in policy.

If the American people had a better attention span, this would be better understood.

So should we make each President's term in office 6 or 8 years so it is more fair to them and gives them more time for their economic policies to play out since the American public doesn't understand that?
 
It's nice to know that you hold Volker in such high regard. You think he got bossed around by a complete failure. What I don't understand about your theory is (1) why Carter nominated him for the FED in light of his overt commitment to restraining inflation through high interest rates; (2) why Carter allowed Volker to ramp up the fed funds target to 19% in the first instance during an election year; (3) why Carter allowed Volker to have interest rates increase from the end of the 1980 recession through election day 1980; and (4) why Volker would give a shit what Carter wanted. None of it makes any sense.

It's obvious that you've started at the conclusion that Ronald Reagan was the best president evah and that Jimmy Carter was the worst and, working backwards from there, ridiculously conclude that Reagan in his grand magnificence allowed Volker to do his thing while Jimmy Carter didn't. The most likely scenario is that Volker did his thing, regardless of what either president wanted him to do. Of course, recognizing this wouldn't allow you to heap praise on St. Ronnie and scorn on Carter so you reject it.
Nailed it!
 
It's nice to know that you hold Volker in such high regard. You think he got bossed around by a complete failure.

I think Volcker knew it was going to take time and that he could restart it after the election.

What I don't understand about your theory is (1) why Carter nominated him for the FED in light of his overt commitment to restraining inflation through high interest rates;

Because I don't think Carter understood what the consequences of Volckers policies would be.

(2) why Carter allowed Volker to ramp up the fed funds target to 19% in the first instance during an election year;

he didn't. It didn't even hit 18%.

(3) why Carter allowed Volker to have interest rates increase from the end of the 1980 recession through election day 1980; and

Wow, that is just completely dishonest. In July of 1980, rates were about 9%. That is LOWER than where rates were when Volcker took office you dishonest hack. The Fed Funds rate was at 10.83% in September of 1980, STILL BELOW where rates were when Volcker took over the Fed. Yes, in the weeks prior to the election rates began to escalate back up. But in no way were they going to have time to effect the economy prior to the election.

We didn't have 24/7 media back then and most people wouldn't have had a clue that the rate was going back up. The people saw the EFFECTS not the actual moves back then. (for the most part... obviously the experts knew what was happening).

(4) why Volker would give a shit what Carter wanted. None of it makes any sense.

Because it helps to have the President on board in a situation like that. The President is the one that has to explain the effects of the policy to the people. Had he continued, Carter could have just thrown him under the bus and Volcker may not have been in place long enough to complete his plan.

It's obvious that you've started at the conclusion that Ronald Reagan was the best president evah and that Jimmy Carter was the worst

The above is just nonsense. It is a feeble straw man attempt. I have stated many times that Ike was a better President than Reagan and that Reagan and Clinton are debatable for second in the last fifty years. I have also stated that Bush is worse than Carter, as is Obama.

You just post that nonsense, because you have no actual data to support your position. I hammered on Mutt for his idiotic comment stating that Carter inherited stagflation, which is 100% false.

and, working backwards from there, ridiculously conclude that Reagan in his grand magnificence allowed Volker to do his thing while Jimmy Carter didn't.

Which given the actions of Volcker is true. His actions were based on inflation under Reagan. They were not the same under Carter. So either Volcker had no idea what he was doing or he was influenced to do otherwise.

Nothing else explains the rapid rise then rapid fall of rates in 1980. A 7% decline in ONE MONTH. That had nothing to do with inflation. That had panic written all over it. Given what we know of the two men, I find it hard to believe (though it is debatable) that it was Volcker that lacked the faith in his plan.

The most likely scenario is that Volker did his thing, regardless of what either president wanted him to do. Of course, recognizing this wouldn't allow you to heap praise on St. Ronnie and scorn on Carter so you reject it.

Except that is not the most likely scenario. Otherwise Volcker would have reacted at least in a similar fashion in 1981 if not in the exact same manner. Yet he didn't. It wasn't even close.
 
How dare you site a source that doesn't lionize St. Ronnie nor condemn that scurolous villain Carter!

You are truly comical Mutt. Saying Reagan allowed someone else to do their job is not lionizing Reagan. It gives credit to Volcker for doing what was necessary and by extension gives some credit to Reagan for allowing him to do it. You just can't handle the fact that ALL of the data says you are wrong. Carter did not inherit stagflation as you continue to chirp.
 
You are truly comical Mutt. Saying Reagan allowed someone else to do their job is not lionizing Reagan. It gives credit to Volcker for doing what was necessary and by extension gives some credit to Reagan for allowing him to do it. You just can't handle the fact that ALL of the data says you are wrong. Carter did not inherit stagflation as you continue to chirp.
ROTFLMAO!!
 
ROTFLMAO!!

Once again, Mutt comes through with his brilliant analysis. Funny how you have NOTHING to offer Mutt. The only reason you haven't run away like your normal cowardly self is because Dung and Tom are trying really really hard to support your position. At least they have some valid points that are debatable and they aren't running around making patently false statements like you are.
 
1) Regan was Sec Treasury
2) Reagan was the President
3) The two years after Carter were a recession Jarod... a recession created by Volcker's efforts to kill inflation. Something done under Reagan, not Carter.
4) What policies of Carters do you think are 'responsable' for the 'Regan recovery'?

1) and 2) you knew who I was talking about you elitest.
3) Two years is not a long time when trying to turn a bad economy.
4) Carter lowered the budget deficate numbers during his term, he established a national energy policy creating the department of energy, he deregulated the airline and trucking industries (responsably).
 
So should we make each President's term in office 6 or 8 years so it is more fair to them and gives them more time for their economic policies to play out since the American public doesn't understand that?

I would not be against that for different reasons, but I am not concerned with making sure the proper person gets credit for what he/she did, I am more concerned with good results. I do belive that if the terms were 6 years, Carter would have been reelected and Bush II would not have been reelected.
 
1) and 2) you knew who I was talking about you elitest.

The word is elitist.

3) Two years is not a long time when trying to turn a bad economy.

It is long enough to say it wasn't CARTER's policies that killed inflation and set the economy on the right path.

4) Carter lowered the budget deficate numbers during his term,

The word is deficit. He ran fairly steady deficits the entire four years, but in terms of percentage increases over previous years, I will give you that one. Going from 10.4% to 9.83%.

he established a national energy policy creating the department of energy, he deregulated the airline and trucking industries (responsably).

His energy policy itself was horrid. His deregulation of the transportation sector is one of the good things he did.
 
It did that in part because folks in the mid east hated Carter.

Um no...

Oil was sent up due to a weak dollar policy coupled with OPEC taking a stand. It maintained those levels until the US adopted a strong dollar policy under Reagan/Bush/Clinton. Bush Jr and Obama have maintained a weak dollar policy similar to that of Carter.
 
Um no...

Oil was sent up due to a weak dollar policy coupled with OPEC taking a stand. It maintained those levels until the US adopted a strong dollar policy under Reagan/Bush/Clinton. Bush Jr and Obama have maintained a weak dollar policy similar to that of Carter.

OPEC took a stand because they hated Carter.
 
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