On twitter? Are you kidding?
Rosanne gets the ax!
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On twitter? Are you kidding?
I disagree with Roseanne completely, but it actually is a criminal offense to fire her over a protected, off hours, personal political expression.
Almost everything Roseanne does is political, this tweet was totally political about Obama's Mideast policies, and even though I do not think it was racist, racism IS always protected political speech.
Whether or not it was vicious or ignorant is not relevant.
You can't fire anyone over being vicious or ignorant.
I don't think that's true.. She told lies about Jarrett.. She's not a Muslim and there's no Muslim Brotherhood in Iran.
The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)
Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.
The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society. The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”
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Great quote.... thanks.
Apparently Der Gropingfuehrer himself disagrees with Rigby5.... remember when he said that the team owners should fire the #TakeAKnee protesters?
Your employer can curtail your free speech in as much as they can fire you.
Nope, sure isn’t.
You sure can.
Rigby is simply wrong.. Not a big deal.
The First Amendment only means the government can’t silence you or attempt to curtail speech (i.e. you won’t be intimidated or jailed for your speech.)
Your private employer on the other hand, can curtail your speech and punish or fire you if they decide your opinions are racist or sexist or violate some core company value.
The consequences also apply outside of work in the general culture. As Jack Holmes says in Esquire: “Free speech” does not mean you get to say anything without any repercussions in society.
The government cannot impose penalties on you, but your peers can by maintaining social norms that make it socially unacceptable — shameful, even — to behave in that way. You can’t lose your liberty, but you can lose your friends and your livelihood. The Constitution doesn’t protect your popularity.”
I am shocked that we agree on something.
Well, fire chiefs and preachers have been fired for stupid remarks,
What I am saying is that it is moronic to fire someone who makes a comment in social media that might offend someone else. The Constitution does not protect snowflakes from being offended and when we venture down that path our society will DEVOLVE no EVOLVE.
You do it at work and it violates company policy; yes I get that. She wasn't at work and it had nothing to do with her coworkers.
I don't know about you idiots on the left, but I am pretty sure we have not become a third world shit-hole Fascistic Dictatorship yet. As long as we prevent the Democratic Party of the Jackass from geting power, we will continue avoiding becoming a third world shit-hole Fascistic Dictatorship.
So it is a firing offense to post lies on social media? Since when snowflake?
You're wrong; getting fired for expressing oneself outside of the workplace is certainly an issue for free speech. Grow a brain.
Too stupid to know the difference between taking a knee at the workplace to express ones self and doing it on your own time via social media. What an idiot. 
No they cannot; and saying so makes you look like a moron.
ON THE JOB. But when you are away from the workplace, suppressing free speech is not what the Constitution is all about.
You need to study up on law and democratic republics.
The first amendment is NOT a source of any rights.
None of the Bill of Rights are a source of any rights.
What the Bill of Rights says is that there are pre-existing rights that the federal government is barred from infringing upon.
It was intended as an additional guarantee in writing, not to create any rights, because the federal government is not supposed to be the creator of any rights.
If you can create rights, then you can also take them away.
And that is outside of federal jurisdiction.
However, the principle of "incorporation" is the process the courts have used since the 14th Amendment, to use the Bill of Rights as a means of identifying inherent rights by the shadow they cast on the Bill of Rights.
The idea being that if the federal government shall not be allowed to infringe, then likely NO ONE should be allowed to infringe.
And NO, your employer most definitely has always been legally barred from political discrimination.
No employer can ever legally fire anyone for political expression outside the work place.
That has always been the rulings of the courts.
For example, when CBS fired the Smothers Brothers, CBS lost the case, even though the network never even released why the show was really canceled.
The network claimed it was due to a tape being delivered after the required time.
It is true that free speech does not mean you can say anything.
But that refers only to harmful things that are illegal, such as trying to incite others to illegal violence, deliberate libel/slander, yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, etc.
There is never a case where is it legal to suppress political expression unless it can be proven that speech would harm employer revenue, such as an advertising campaign spokes person saying disgusting things.
What Roseanne said was not even racist, much less disgusting, and she is not a representative, but an actor playing a role that is supposed to be racist.
Do you need to actually see it in writing?
Since before the country was even formed in 1886, it was illegal to discriminate against political expression by employer termination.
One of the oldest traditions of individual rights.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/new-york-employment-discrimination-31665.html
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In all 50 states, federal law makes it illegal to discriminate based on:
Race
Color
National origin
Religion
Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions)
Disability (physical or mental)
Age (40 and older)
Citizenship status
Genetic information
In addition, New York state law prohibits discrimination based on:
Race
Color
National origin
Religion
Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions)
Disability (physical or mental)
Age (18 and older)
Genetic characteristics
Marital status
Familial status (being pregnant, caring for a child under 18, or seeking to adopt a child under 18)
Sexual orientation (includes perceived sexual orientation)
Gender identity
Lawful use of any product or lawful recreational activities when not at work
Military status or service
Observance of Sabbath
Political activities
Use of service dog
Prior arrests or criminal accusation
Prior convictions (unless certain requirements have been met)
Domestic violence victim status
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LOLOL.. Sure they can.. The government can't curtail your speech , but your employer can.