Sally Ride

Darla said:
I am LMAO. At the same time I am fending off and making fools out of two enraged pompous sexists, I created and sent an Icontact newsletter ad to thousands of customers.

I do more before 10 am than most woman-hating fools do all day. :)
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See, the above is more nonsense from today's feminists. I praise Sally Ride and state what an inspiration she was to young people, especially young women and Darla pretends that equates to my being sexist. All because I won't give the feminists of the 1960's and beyond 'credit'. Darla wants to pretend that everything just flipped on a dime and that it was the pro-abortion movements of the 60's that led to Sally getting a PhD and entering NASA in 1978.
 
Darla said:
Nope. In other words I already knew that, you refuted nothing that I said, and no matter how much someone knows and writes about any topic you always find some little nitpick thing that you googled on wikipedia to post in order to pretend you know something they don't know.

You know nothing I don't know Claven. You look like the ass that you are on this thread and I am thrilled with the opportunity to show you up. You have no idea how long I've told people off board that you hate women. :) Thanks.
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I have always suspected you to be pretty odious so I am glad you've chosen to let everybody else see you for what you are, it's fascinating that you defend someone who petitioned to remove the age of consent altogether. As I have already said I don't have to google for the info, it was that act that destroyed her already tarnished reputation in the UK back in the '70s.
 
Darla said:
That's what she thought, that they "paved" the way for her. Do you want to argue with her through me? She's dead and I am not handy with a Ouija board? You seem very angry that Doctor Ride felt this way about the women's movement. I wonder why...
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I don't think she was all that much into that. All she want to do is fly Sally fly. You're wasting your time debating feminism with most guys. They're either going to troll you to get under your skin or you'll be dealing with some pencil dicked neanderthal with compensatory issues. Either way, you're just banging your head on a wall.
 
Darla said:
I quoted a line from her obituary. I wonder why it got you so enraged?
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LMAO... again, more ignorance from today's feminist. I am not at all enraged dearest little Darla. I am pointing out to you that the feminist movement began long before 1960. I am pointing out to you that Sally's comment did not specify that she was referring to 1960 and beyond as you are pretending. So get your panties out of a bunch and try reading what others write. You might actually learn something.
 
Darla said:
Nope. That is not what I stated but it's good to see you are studying my posts. Even though you are doing it in the hopes of finding something you can use to cover for your embarrassing hijinks of yesterday, I still bet you learn something!
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Simone de Beauvoir published The Second Sex in 1949, and the publication if of this masterpiece of feminist thinking is always marked as the beginning of the global second wave. So your dates are meaningless Claven.
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Tell us again how you didn't say that Darla...
 
It was the nutjobs in the 60's that began the destruction of the title 'feminist'. You want to pretend that Sally was talking about the 1960's (and beyond) feminist movement. Show me where she says that is who she was referring to Darla.

American second wave is widely held to have began in the early 60's with the release of the JFK report on female inequality (let's see if Sf can figure out how a report released in the early 60's about female inquality impacts his claim that by 1950, err, I mean today he is saying by 1960, feminism had already finished) and Friedan's The Feminine Mystique.

Most scholars put its end sometime in the 1990's, usually late. In some countries Second wave feminism began earlier, and is marked by the 1949 publication of The Second Sex. In still other countries, Second wave feminism did not began until the 1980's.
 
Superfreak said:
Tell us again how you didn't say that Darla...
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The need to take out my qualifying paragraph and thus change my meaning, a righty hallmark.

You also emphasized the year. American second wave feminism is widely held to have began with the JFK report one female inequality and the publication of The Feminine Mystique. Movements like that do not rise up overnight, there were of course, feminist activists working, struggling, writing, pamphleting, and advocating for years prior to 1961. And Russia is not America.

Simone de Beauvoir published The Second Sex in 1949, and the publication if of this masterpiece of feminist thinking is always marked as the beginning of the global second wave. So your dates are meaningless Claven.
 
Now Sf is so enraged by this comment from Doctor Ride: “The women’s movement had already paved the way, I think, for my coming,” she said. that he wants us to believe she considered second wave feminism which in this country, her country, began in the early 60's, to be "nutjobs".

Wow.

Look what happens when a woman tips her hat to feminism. The men go nuts.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don't think she was all that much into that. All she want to do is fly Sally fly. You're wasting your time debating feminism with most guys. They're either going to troll you to get under your skin or you'll be dealing with some pencil dicked neanderthal with compensatory issues. Either way, you're just banging your head on a wall.
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I am sorry Moot but that's just too simplistic, I agree with SF that there seems to be a revisionist movement in the US claiming that the feminists of the '60s were responsible for all the changes today. As always the truth is far more complex but Darla doesn't do complex.
 
Darla said:
The need to take out my qualifying paragraph and thus change my meaning, a righty hallmark.

You also emphasized the year. American second wave feminism is widely held to have began with the JFK report one female inequality and the publication of The Feminine Mystique. Movements like that do not rise up overnight, there were of course, feminist activists working, struggling, writing, pamphleting, and advocating for years prior to 1961. And Russia is not America.

Simone de Beauvoir published The Second Sex in 1949, and the publication if of this masterpiece of feminist thinking is always marked as the beginning of the global second wave. So your dates are meaningless Claven.
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ok... so once again you stated it started before. Thanks again for proving my point.
 
She was of course referring to the second wave, that's a no-brainer. First wave feminism fought for suffrage and property rights. Second wave feminism fought for workplace equality, equal pay, and equal opportunity. The idea that Doctor Ride was speaking of the Suffrage movement but not the equality movement (I am sure that like all of us she was grateful to the first wavers who got us the vote) is an idea that could only come from the brain of a monkey. But it really doesn't matter. What matter is why?

I would like to know, why SF are you so enraged by the idea that Doctor Ride tipped her hat to the women's movement?

And we have different answers. Tom's are myriad. And revolve around anxiety, fear of castration, sexual dysfunction, etc.

With SF, it's about one thing; abortion.

This fool really believes that women like Doctor Ride, and yesterday's Mayer who contributes tens of thousands of dollars to a PAC that runs lefty primary challenges to centrist Dems, are anti-choice.

Sf I feel for you. You claim to love strong and accomplished women. I believe you. Our libidos aren't political. I screwed a republican once though I don't brag about it. The conflict you must live in. The women you like are nearly to a person, pro-choice. And that's where SF's rage comes from.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don't think she was all that much into that. All she want to do is fly Sally fly. You're wasting your time debating feminism with most guys. They're either going to troll you to get under your skin or you'll be dealing with some pencil dicked neanderthal with compensatory issues. Either way, you're just banging your head on a wall.
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How do you know what she was into? I quoted her, nothing more, nothing less. Her words speak for themselves. As to debating feminism with guys, it depends on the guys. I do not feel I am banging my head against the wall. I am exposing sexists and sexism. I enjoy it. And I think it makes them look really bad.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I am sorry Moot but that's just too simplistic, I agree with SF that there seems to be a revisionist movement in the US claiming that the feminists of the '60s were responsible for all the changes today. As always the truth is far more complex but Darla doesn't do complex.
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Oh there's a movement? Nope, women always credited the women's movement. That's not new. What's newer, what is revisionist, is the backlash. But we've been dealing with the backlash since the 80's. You are so infatuated with yourself that you believe you are showing someone something they've never seen. We've all seen it. I've seen it much more cleverly, even sneakily, presented, in fact. All you have are regurgitated Daily Mail opeds. The only one impressed with your cartoon-level knowledge is yourself.
 
Darla said:
How do you know what she was into? I quoted her, nothing more, nothing less. Her words speak for themselves. As to debating feminism with guys, it depends on the guys. I do not feel I am banging my head against the wall. I am exposing sexists and sexism. I enjoy it. And I think it makes them look really bad.
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Also Mott, you should read the article. Her lifelong dedication to bring girls into math and science belies your claims.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I reminded her that the Russians sent a woman into space in 1963 and she then started banging on about de Beauvoir the French peadophile.
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Obviously it was the womens movement's work in the US on pro-abortion in the 1960's that led to the Russian putting a woman in space in 1963. You have to keep in mind, Darla is very nationalistic. She is bound mentally by our borders (as most Dems are). So she really doesn't care what happened outside of the US.

You see, there were no female doctors or physicists prior to the womens movement of the 1960's. None of the feminists movements actions prior to the 60's amounted to anything other than the right to vote. It was purely the 'second wave' that is to be credited for all the advancements of women.
 
"Obviously it was the womens movement's work in the US on pro-abortion in the 1960's that led to the Russian putting a woman in space in 1963. "

LOL Advertising your ignorance of the second wave movement is an interesting debate tactic. As if that's all they fought for and won, abortion rights. It does evidence my claims however - you are obsessed with abortion and can see nothing else. You have zero clue what second wave feminism accomplished because all you see is roe v wade.

Fanatics are never rational and rarely knowledgeable. QED.
 
Darla said:
She was of course referring to the second wave, that's a no-brainer. First wave feminism fought for suffrage and property rights. Second wave feminism fought for workplace equality, equal pay, and equal opportunity. The idea that Doctor Ride was speaking of the Suffrage movement but not the equality movement (I am sure that like all of us she was grateful to the first wavers who got us the vote) is an idea that could only come from the brain of a monkey. But it really doesn't matter. What matter is why?

I would like to know, why SF are you so enraged by the idea that Doctor Ride tipped her hat to the women's movement?

And we have different answers. Tom's are myriad. And revolve around anxiety, fear of castration, sexual dysfunction, etc.

With SF, it's about one thing; abortion.

This fool really believes that women like Doctor Ride, and yesterday's Mayer who contributes tens of thousands of dollars to a PAC that runs lefty primary challenges to centrist Dems, are anti-choice.

Sf I feel for you. You claim to love strong and accomplished women. I believe you. Our libidos aren't political. I screwed a republican once though I don't brag about it. The conflict you must live in. The women you like are nearly to a person, pro-choice. And that's where SF's rage comes from.
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It is always clear when you lose an argument. You begin regurgitating over and over and over again how someone else is 'enraged' etc...
 
Darla said:
"Obviously it was the womens movement's work in the US on pro-abortion in the 1960's that led to the Russian putting a woman in space in 1963. "

LOL Advertising your ignorance of the second wave movement is an interesting debate tactic. As if that's all they fought for and won, abortion rights. It does evidence my claims however - you are obsessed with abortion and can see nothing else. You have zero clue what second wave feminism accomplished because all you see is roe v wade.

Fanatics are never rational and rarely knowledgeable. QED.
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you are living proof of that.
 
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