Topspin
Verified User
If she hijacket it then you'd have one tea party member people could name and vote for.
Sarah Palin: Marijuana Policy Reformer?
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If she hijacket it then you'd have one tea party member people could name and vote for.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
Great post!
Selling pot is how I learned how to run a business.
But I kept smoking up all the profits usually.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
You got that right!
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
No,,,, She's still good for a woody.
Nah, you just had wood for the baggie you thought she was handing you.
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
Nope, what you are doing is attempting to justify a stupid move. The truth of the matter is, most drug cartels are dealing in heroin and cocaine, not pot. There is not much money (by comparison) to be made in marijuana, and it is far more difficult to smuggle and distribute.
Decriminalizing marijuana, actually frees up law enforcement officials, to go after the cocaine and heroin cartels, to focus on crystal meth and crack, which are far more damaging to our society. My suggestion to decriminalize pot, will lead to the same room being made in jails for others, we just won't be legalizing a product for consumer sale, which may have all kinds of inherent health related problems.
Hey, I like to burn a doobie now and then myself, I don't have a problem with it, and I have told my children I had rather they smoke pot than drink alcohol, I think there is less harm from it... but I am not willing to say I think pot should be a legal product sold on the market and taxed by government. My main point of contention is the delivery system... ingesting smoke into your lungs is harmful to your respiratory health, that is just a clinical medical fact of life, and it doesn't matter what type of smoke it is... some things are worse than others, but ALL are bad. At a time when we've decided to make the American taxpayer liable for everyone's health care, it seems inherently foolish to legalize a product that is detrimental to your health. Sorry to all you pothead liberals, but nationalized health care pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of legalized pot. You can't have it both ways!
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
Why bother locking horns. I could say more to you, but at least you're halfway there.
When you say liberal, do you mean marxist?
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
No, I mean modern American liberal progressives. They have some similarity to Marxists and Socialists, as well as Communists.
Socrtease
Verified User
This post shows how little you know about the cartel business. I live in one of the heaviest areas of drug trafficking in the US. The Juarez-El Paso corridor is a HUGE area of drug trafficking. The cartels primary money source is indeed Marijuana. Yes, cocaine is worth more money per ounce than Marijuana, but the Cartels cannot find the mules to traffick it. If you get caught with marijuana you don't face the criminal penalities you face with cocaine. If you get caught with a dufflebag of Marijuana on your back, you are arrested, arraigned, you are appointed a lawyer who negotiates with the USA's office and after about 30 to 45 days you come before a judge, you waive grand jury, you plead guilty to smuggling marijuana, you get mostly time served but nothing over 6 months, and then they deport you. If you get caught with cocaine, unless you give evidence against the guy that hired you, and they don't, you go to prison for at least a decade. If you look at drug prosecution stats you will see that marijuana is FAR more prevalent than marijuana. Now Dixie, I know that I am a smart ass to you alot, but this is one area where I REALLY do know more about the prosecution of drug crimes than most people on this board. Hell in southern NM the USA's office will not prosecute people distributing marijuana if the amount is less than 100 pounds. Instead, local DA's prosecute them under HIDTA grants and in NM first offense only carries a max of 18 months and we don't give that often. If you are illegal you get sentenced, put on probation and deported. If you are a citizen and it is a first offense you get probation and if you have an especially clean record you can get a deferred sentence if it was less than 50 lbs. I know because I do this for a living.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
I totally disagree with your definition. I'm not a progressive. At all. I'm a strict constitutionalist.
There's nothing in the constitution that gives the fed. gov't the authority to tell peopel what they can and can't consume.
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
And what do you suppose "decriminalization" would do to the cartel business regarding pot? People would be able to grow their own, or find domestic sources of supply, not related to the drug cartels from elsewhere. Generally speaking, drug cartels do not bother with drugs that aren't illegal... how much tobacco smuggling do they do?
Furthermore, if a law enforcement officer isn't detained with someone smuggling pot, doesn't it make sense they will have a better chance of detaining someone smuggling cocaine or heroin?
Dixie - In Memoriam
New member
No, what you are is an idiot. You stated earlier that you don't vote Republican or Democrat because you think they are both Marxists... and you continue on with your rant about the Constitution, etc. If you are so stupid you don't see a clear and discernible difference in the two parties, and if you are too dumb to understand ONE of these two parties is going to call the shots and control power in America, and if you can't figure out which one is better for the country and our future, you are an IDIOT... you belong to the IDIOT party!
Socrtease
Verified User
I agree with you Dixie. THe thing is, even during the cocaine drenched days of the 80's mexican cartels did very little smuggling. The Columbians had it sowed up and the coke came directly from Columbia to the US via airplanes. If we take the money out of Marijuana the cartels in Mexico will die. It is there bread and butter. In this corridor we see very little large scale trafficking cases. Here in NM ANY hand to hand sale of Coke is considered trafficking, is punished by 9 years in prison and judges typically give them every minute of that. They still get good time that results in 4.5 years for a first offense. But almost never see amounts above one or two ounces.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
Well I'll stop giving you any respect. Which isn't my nature!
Hay smart guy;
Which party is for doing away with the 16th amendment?
The federal reserve?
The department of education?
The EPA?
The war on huminity? (Drugs)
Social Security?
The 17th amendment.
And a bunch more I haven't the time for?
Neither faction, or as your limited amount of int knows as parties!
Which means, "very smart guy", that there is no diference.
What you're saying is "which slave owner is better, or will I worship".
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SmarterthanYou
rebel
are you over the age of 20? Because in my last 25 years of being a registered voter, i've seen one obvious trait that both parties hold dear to them, and that is doing whatever they can to deny me my rights and liberties. BOTH parties do it, they just divvy up which parts they want to infringe upon.
Mexico---major drug cartels bring in much more than marijuana
by KING5.com and Associated Press
KING5.com
Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Updated Thursday, Jun 10 at 1:10 PM
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Law enforcement agencies have arrested more than 2,000 people nationwide in a 22-month investigation targeting Mexican drug trafficking in the United States. Some of those arrests took place in Tacoma Wednesday.
Twenty-three people were arrested and 65 pounds of black tar heroin heroin were seized in Tacoma Wednesday, most of that at one residence.
"This investigation strikes a blow against a dangerous scourge in our communities," said United States Attorney Jenny A. Durkan. "Yesterday, in just one residence, agents found 58 pounds of black tar heroin - a stunning indication of the massive amounts of poison this group was spreading."
The nationwide probe, dubbed "Project Deliverance," was a 22-month multi-agency operation which targeted the transportation of methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and marijuana along the southwest border of the United States.
Of the more than 2,000 arrests, 400 of those were made Wednesday, 23 in Tacoma. Over the past 13 months, $400,000 has been seized in the Tacoma investigation.
In Washington, the operation transported heroin and meth to the Tacoma region.
"They operated almost like a pizza delivery business, using runners and dispatchers to get drugs out into multiple south Puget Sound communities," said Durkan.
According to court documents, the organization used various runners that worked with a "dispatcher" to get drugs into the hands of customers. Drug customers from Lewis, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston and Grays Harbor Counties would call and order drugs from a "dispatcher," who would then give customers an intersection in a six square mile area of south Tacoma where they were to park.
The drug runner's car would then drive slowly past the customer's car, signaling the customer to follow, and the cars would proceed into a residential neighborhood to make the drug transaction.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars from the proceeds of the drug transactions were then shipped to Mexico in hidden compartments built into vehicles. Over the past couple weeks, two cars were stopped that carried nearly $100,000.
"First call I heard was agents reporting 'We entered the house. There was 40 pounds of heroin sitting in the middle of the floor. We almost tripped over it.' And that's when we knew this investigaiton had paid off," said Doug Whalley, Assistant United State Attorney.
In total, more than 3,000 agents and officers operating across the U.S. seized more than 74.1 tons of illegal drugs, including 2,951 pounds of marijuana, 112 kilograms of cocaine, 17 pounds of methamphetamine, along with $5.8 million in U.S. currency, 141 weapons and 85 vehicles.
Project Deliverance was a multi-agency law enforcement investigation and involved the Drug Enforcement Administration, the FBI, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with state and local law enforcement agencies. Mexican law enforcement also provided significant supportive actions for Project Deliverance.
"This interagency, cross-border operation has been our most extensive, and most successful, law enforcement effort to date targeting these deadly cartels, and it is a direct result of our ongoing Southwest Border Strategy," said Attorney General Holder. "This successful operation, however, is just one battle in an ongoing war. So long as cartels and smugglers attempt to wreak havoc on our borders, we will continue to target them with every resource available to the federal government. This administration, working with law enforcement at all levels as well as our international partners, is committed to defeating these cartels, and we have proven the power of strong collaboration and coordination in achieving that goal."
In addition to Washington, arrests were made and/or charges have been unsealed related to Project Deliverance in the following areas: District of Arizona, Eastern and Southern Districts of California, District of Colorado, Southern District of Florida, Northern District of Georgia, Northern District of Illinois, District of Maryland, Eastern District of Missouri, District of Montana, District of Nevada, District of New Mexico, Northern and Southern Districts of New York, Western District of North Carolina, Eastern and Western Districts of Pennsylvania, Middle District of Tennessee, Southern and Western Districts of Texas, Eastern District of Virginia and the Eastern District of Wisconsin.
by KING5.com and Associated Press
KING5.com
Posted on June 10, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Updated Thursday, Jun 10 at 1:10 PM
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Law enforcement agencies have arrested more than 2,000 people nationwide in a 22-month investigation targeting Mexican drug trafficking in the United States. Some of those arrests took place in Tacoma Wednesday.
Twenty-three people were arrested and 65 pounds of black tar heroin heroin were seized in Tacoma Wednesday, most of that at one residence.
"This investigation strikes a blow against a dangerous scourge in our communities," said United States Attorney Jenny A. Durkan. "Yesterday, in just one residence, agents found 58 pounds of black tar heroin - a stunning indication of the massive amounts of poison this group was spreading."
The nationwide probe, dubbed "Project Deliverance," was a 22-month multi-agency operation which targeted the transportation of methamphetamine, cocaine, heroin and marijuana along the southwest border of the United States.
Of the more than 2,000 arrests, 400 of those were made Wednesday, 23 in Tacoma. Over the past 13 months, $400,000 has been seized in the Tacoma investigation.
In Washington, the operation transported heroin and meth to the Tacoma region.
"They operated almost like a pizza delivery business, using runners and dispatchers to get drugs out into multiple south Puget Sound communities," said Durkan.
According to court documents, the organization used various runners that worked with a "dispatcher" to get drugs into the hands of customers. Drug customers from Lewis, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston and Grays Harbor Counties would call and order drugs from a "dispatcher," who would then give customers an intersection in a six square mile area of south Tacoma where they were to park.
The drug runner's car would then drive slowly past the customer's car, signaling the customer to follow, and the cars would proceed into a residential neighborhood to make the drug transaction.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars from the proceeds of the drug transactions were then shipped to Mexico in hidden compartments built into vehicles. Over the past couple weeks, two cars were stopped that carried nearly $100,000.
"First call I heard was agents reporting 'We entered the house. There was 40 pounds of heroin sitting in the middle of the floor. We almost tripped over it.' And that's when we knew this investigaiton had paid off," said Doug Whalley, Assistant United State Attorney.
In total, more than 3,000 agents and officers operating across the U.S. seized more than 74.1 tons of illegal drugs, including 2,951 pounds of marijuana, 112 kilograms of cocaine, 17 pounds of methamphetamine, along with $5.8 million in U.S. currency, 141 weapons and 85 vehicles.
Project Deliverance was a multi-agency law enforcement investigation and involved the Drug Enforcement Administration, the FBI, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with state and local law enforcement agencies. Mexican law enforcement also provided significant supportive actions for Project Deliverance.
"This interagency, cross-border operation has been our most extensive, and most successful, law enforcement effort to date targeting these deadly cartels, and it is a direct result of our ongoing Southwest Border Strategy," said Attorney General Holder. "This successful operation, however, is just one battle in an ongoing war. So long as cartels and smugglers attempt to wreak havoc on our borders, we will continue to target them with every resource available to the federal government. This administration, working with law enforcement at all levels as well as our international partners, is committed to defeating these cartels, and we have proven the power of strong collaboration and coordination in achieving that goal."
In addition to Washington, arrests were made and/or charges have been unsealed related to Project Deliverance in the following areas: District of Arizona, Eastern and Southern Districts of California, District of Colorado, Southern District of Florida, Northern District of Georgia, Northern District of Illinois, District of Maryland, Eastern District of Missouri, District of Montana, District of Nevada, District of New Mexico, Northern and Southern Districts of New York, Western District of North Carolina, Eastern and Western Districts of Pennsylvania, Middle District of Tennessee, Southern and Western Districts of Texas, Eastern District of Virginia and the Eastern District of Wisconsin.
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Do they bring in hookers? because I am frankly getting tired of the same ones over and over again...
So you pay your blow-up dolls? That's pretty bad~~~
It's just the money that came in his Operation board game, he tells them he's a doctor.