Save Americans, please
- Thread starter Truck Fump / h1b
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I wouldn't say that either. Many of the uber-Pentacostals are Zionists and are not Jewish.
No, some of them are Christians.
It would depend on what they think they are. While they may be descendant from Jacob, many think of themselves as Christian Americans. Some don't even know they are descendants of Jacob and pay no attention. Jewish isn't a "race" of people, it's a religion.
And Hebrew is a language or a tribal name. How many pay attention to the tribe they descended from in Germany for example...
Minister of Truth
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I have always been told that Jewish is a race. What do most Jews say on the matter?
According to Jewish tradition our children are Jewish as their great grandmother was Jewish. But we are lack secularists.
BOT. The interesting thing about most discussions concerning outsourcing and immigration is the defender usually hasn't lost their job because of it. This goes both ways as large corporations import cheap commodities to other nations and ruin the very third world infrastructure that is taking American jobs. At the same time executives who pretty much should change their title to Chief Thief, award themselves large wages as they send jobs overseas because the stockholders, usual Americans, want big returns on their investments...and so it goes.....
BOT. The interesting thing about most discussions concerning outsourcing and immigration is the defender usually hasn't lost their job because of it. This goes both ways as large corporations import cheap commodities to other nations and ruin the very third world infrastructure that is taking American jobs. At the same time executives who pretty much should change their title to Chief Thief, award themselves large wages as they send jobs overseas because the stockholders, usual Americans, want big returns on their investments...and so it goes.....
Truck Fump / h1b
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Yeah. isn't that the funny thing about it. It's always that anyone who loses their jobs to it, is rendered TOO CLOSE to the issue to be objective.
It's for AMERICA they say. Americans will prosper. As if to imply that there is some loyalty to the american people from companies that do business here. What a joke. They advocats of globalization really are just selfish assholes.
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Fixed.
Truck Fump / h1b
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It's not entrepeneurial to create refugees in one part of the globe to replace "expensive labor" in another.
There is true innovation in the world, but what's driving global business trends currently is betrayal and selfishness, masquerading as something positive.
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Dear non-liberal,
Ever thought that the resulting equilibrium may just be more positive than it would have been otherwise? Kind of like how your guys (non-liberal socialists) said that mechanization would destroy labor? And it has just made their standard of living far, far greater than would've otherwise ever been possible?
Truck Fump / h1b
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positive for whom? The displaced westerner? the peasant transformed into a third world assembly worker or over worked it person?
our economies don't have to be so interwined, in fact, from several perspectives, it's unwise that they are. Globalization as being perpetrated today is merely a way of deeming that no other human consideration can steer society other than the corporate bottom line.
FUCK THE POLICE
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Humanity should all be connected. We should throw away the iron chains that nationalism has put on us.
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Famov
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Blah blah blah. Free trade exists because we are a free people who should be allowed to do what we want. I don't need the government to enact protectionism to 'save' me or anyone else.
You don't like manufacturing jobs leaving the country? You don't like white collar technological jobs leaving the country? Then get a different skillset. The fact that the standard of living of the American people has increased exponentially in the last one hundred years implies that most of us have indeed been able to take care of ourselves through the good times and through the hard times. The economy is an ebb and flow, but there are always available jobs.
And technology is the future. Crying about obsolete manufacturing jobs being increasingly outsourced to machines and people is all well and good, but technological jobs are growing rapidly and that is where the young people here (like me) should be looking for employment.
But hey, we have nationalist and protectionist Democrats sparring with anti business socialists. That's an interesting matchup.
Too bad they're both wrong.
Truck Fump / h1b
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Blah blah blah. Selling people out still isn't innovation. Stopping the natural development of nations and then using the hostage populations to cut costs in the developed world is just short term business strategy to concentrate wealth. This pathology that pits human against human, using government to shift policy in the fascist direction, is not free trade, it is facism and corporatism.
corporate structures are totalitarian, that's why they must be reigned in by a more powerful entity which uses other considerations: national security, a future for working people, etc. Our government has become too corrupted by corporate interests, and is now using that power to prostitute citizens to the needs of corporate robber barons.
Famov
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The reason I opened with 'blah blah blah' is because of your use of substanceless buzzwords to say completely nonintelligent things.
Example? You say that corporations are 'selling people out'. In what way? Free trade is the idea that businesses can compete on a global level and hire non American workers. THAT is what is being done. But you call it 'selling people out' to make it seem worse.
Want me to take it further? You then claim that free trade stunts the development of developing nations (to which China would greatly disagree) with no basis whatsoever.
You also compare it to 'fascism' and 'corporatism'. This shows that you have no idea what either word means, or else you are knowingly using the words to describe things that they do not actually properly describe. I'm guessing that its the latter.
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism[/ame]
Wikipedia describes fascism as an 'authoritarian nationalist'. Free trade is in no way authoritarian nationalism. However, your point of view is VERY nationalist and the government controlling of business is authoritarian in nature, so I would say that you are being the fascist one.
Corporatism is just another buzzword and not worth my time to analyze.
You then claim that 'corporate structures are totalitarian' which shows an acute misunderstanding of the idea of free enterprise, much less the idea of an authoritative state.
And lo!, right after you call private institutions totalitarian you have the nerve to suggest that an overseeing powerful entity is needed to reign them in. Keep them in line. You call it a national security issue even!
And then you claim that corporations "must be reigned in by a more powerful entity which uses other considerations".
Protectionism? Nationalism? Powerful governing institutions? Who's really the one calling for authoritarianism here?
Truck Fump / h1b
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Hey. That's why I used blah blah blah too! Small world.
They are often incented with raises and perks to transfer jobs away from fellow citizens to cheaper slave labor. This both degrades the standard of living for americans, and ultimately the entire economy becomes smaller from money being siphoned out, if more money is going out than going in. This is the fundamental reason our economy is failing now. Massive credit used to hide the fact that consumers have no more money. Now that bubble popped. And we see the stupidy of our economic system laid bare to the core. But of course the con men are only worried about confidence in the scam, like always. It sounds bad because it is bad.
Free trade has it's place inside a framework of other moral and practical considerations. Recently those sorts of moderating influences have been absent.
let's go all the way to third.
It depend on if you think being forced into a nike factory by your fascist overlords is a bright future. Or if you think having the world bank force you to float all your resources on the international market so they can be bought away from you, or so your people can no longer afford food.
They're close enough, and both describe out modern society.
Fascism is when state and corporate entites form together in an oppressive collective.
They use the rhetoric of "internationalization", "globalization" as concepts to use to weaken governments ability to protect citizens from corporate abuse. That's why they're internationalist fascists.
Corporation are hierarchical and totalitarian. They are not democracy. Theyre at best, an oligarchy.
Oh the nerve. Yes. I believe the state should be more powerful than government.
Additionally, from a security perspective, it is foolish to have your national supply lines for all resources spread out all over the globe, even in hands of potential enemies.
Im calling for rational government operated for the benefit of a majority of citizens, not just corporate assholes and their fascist buddies.
You suck at thinking.