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SouthernBelle82 said:
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?
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You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.
 
Yea. I just think the Marshall Plan was a cover for scaring people with what all was going on at the time. And yea that is honest and I think the Marshall Plan should've at least been that honest ya know?

AssHatZombie said:
You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.
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SouthernBelle82 said:
Just because it doesn't work in history doesn't mean it can't work in the future. And yes the Marshall plan is old but kinda still around with the whole "we'll trade with people we like" sort of deal. That's basically what the Marshall plan was in my opinion.
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That was not what the marshall plan was.
 
AssHatZombie said:
You never answered the question of how free people compete with slaves. You keep posting shit about some bolivarian bullshit.

Im not reading a whole website. You explain to me how free people compete with slaves.

We debate everywhere here. I'm in your face, skanky twat. How's that for rude?
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You mean she didn't give you the rote answer you seek. She gave her opinion on how slavery should be fought.
 
SouthernBelle82 said:
Well I guess the point is that I don't need all the capitalistic stuff from Ipods to computers and the rest to be happy. I can live without it if I had to however though since I have it than I'm happy and grateful and all that. But yea Cuba is a sucky situation and I feel bad for the people there. I have a family friend who went there as a missionary once and from her experiences and my research on it for a class once it sucks. You can't even open your windows to enjoy the beautiful day. That's just stupid and crap. But Communism and socialism are two different things and have totally different outlooks of the government. I would rather live in Venezuela than Cuba.
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Man, I can live without money, but it sure doesn't hurt.
 
SouthernBelle82 said:
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?
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Maybe if we wouldn't have penalized them after WWI, yes.

The Marshall plan worked. A world without it would be a bad, fractured world today.
 
SouthernBelle82 said:
You didn't need the Marshall Plan to help Europe. Personally I think it was crap and a cover for just helping people who we liked at the time and kissed our asses etc. Maybe if we helped Germany out after WWI Hitler wouldn't have been so successful. Of course it's easy to wonder "what if" after all of it happened right?
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The treaty of Versailles virtually guaranteed that there would be a second world war. In fact, many historians believe that WWI never truly ended, and that it just had a 20 year break until Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

The Treaty of Versailles is also indirectly responsible for why we invaded Iraq as well. By granting border rights to colonial powers after WWI, the British divided up parts of the middle east into separate nation states, and this is why Hussein went into Kuwait in '91. And we all loved him prior to that so its safe to say that without that invasion in 1991, there would have been zero pretext for this most recent bloodbath in Iraq.

That being said, foreign policy can have far reaching consequences and severely consequential unintended results, so we should be really, really careful about it.

The Marshall Plan was successful and cheap, but it worked not because of only the money we spent, but because we were working with western countries with similar cultures to ours. The Marshall plan has been described here as an example of why we should continue to send over young men and women to die for nothing in Iraq. But Iraq is not Europe, and nothing will make them become our allies in any meaningful sense.
 
Damocles said:
You mean she didn't give you the rote answer you seek. She gave her opinion on how slavery should be fought.
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I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the rote answer to that question?
 
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AssHatZombie said:
You're actually right on this one. First and foremost it was a projection of power. But watermark did frame it as a "what's in our interest" fashion. That is honest.
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Personally, I think sending our military over to places and killing people is a lot worse than helping them rebuild their economy. But that's just me. I like to live in a world with as many positives and as few negatives as possible.
 
Watermark said:
Personally, I think sending our military over to places and killing people is a lot worse than helping them rebuild their economy. But that's just me. I like to live in a world with as many positives and as few negatives as possible.
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It creates an unnatural power structure. Remember the Prime Directive.
 
Watermark said:
The Marshall plan was really more of a correcting of previous government infringement than a government infringment in itself.
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Yes. Create the problem, then offer a solution. Illuminati all the way. The Hegelian dialectic or whatever.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the wrote answer to that question?
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You expect her to say, "They can't!"

She proposed fighting it directly as they did in two places. Of course, you and I would both say they voluntarily gave themselves to slavery. She, however, is a socialist and thinks that it somehow "frees" people.
 
The Nazi's and Britian created the problem.

We were just like "WTF?" and came in and tried to end it. Then about 3 years later we found out the Nazi's were killing Jews, and then we were glad because, as it turned out, we were suddenly good guys.

Then we came up with the Marshall plan.
 
Damocles said:
You expect her to say, "They can't!"

She proposed fighting it directly as they did in two places. Of course, you and I would both say they voluntarily gave themselves to slavery. She, however, is a socialist and thinks that it somehow "frees" people.
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Right. probably how I framed her solution as equal opportunity slavery turned her off from the whole discussion.
 
I guess I just think they should've been more honest with the plan. Personally I think it had nothing to do at all with Communism either way and was about prompting up our allies more than those we fought against in WWI. Don't forget Iran/Iraq ordeal with Reagan.

Beefy said:
The treaty of Versailles virtually guaranteed that there would be a second world war. In fact, many historians believe that WWI never truly ended, and that it just had a 20 year break until Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

The Treaty of Versailles is also indirectly responsible for why we invaded Iraq as well. By granting border rights to colonial powers after WWI, the British divided up parts of the middle east into separate nation states, and this is why Hussein went into Kuwait in '91. And we all loved him prior to that so its safe to say that without that invasion in 1991, there would have been zero pretext for this most recent bloodbath in Iraq.

That being said, foreign policy can have far reaching consequences and severely consequential unintended results, so we should be really, really careful about it.

The Marshall Plan was successful and cheap, but it worked not because of only the money we spent, but because we were working with western countries with similar cultures to ours. The Marshall plan has been described here as an example of why we should continue to send over young men and women to die for nothing in Iraq. But Iraq is not Europe, and nothing will make them become our allies in any meaningful sense.
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LOL. You're ignorant on socialism and it's clear as hell. It seems you're the only one who can't see it at all. You don't become "slaves" to international socialism. Slaves don't exist in socialism. I did cover it with the SP website link I gave you. Apparently you didn't read it and aren't interested in reading it. If you were interested in my answer you could've read the SP website a good while back and you would've gotten your answers. So get off your lazy ass and click a button and read.

AssHatZombie said:
I asked her if she thought the solution was us all becoming slaves to international socialism, thus eliminating the difference between slave and free ctizen. She wouldn't comment on that. I covered that angle. She was nonresponsive on the matter.

What is the rote answer to that question?
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Seriously? C'mon now. Be honest. That's not how things happened with WWII. We got into WWII when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. After that Hitler saw we were weak and declared war on us. So we were glad the Nazi's were killing Jews or we were glad we found out? The Marshall Plan had nothing to do with the Nazi's. Have you even read the Marshall Plan?

Watermark said:
The Nazi's and Britian created the problem.

We were just like "WTF?" and came in and tried to end it. Then about 3 years later we found out the Nazi's were killing Jews, and then we were glad because, as it turned out, we were suddenly good guys.

Then we came up with the Marshall plan.
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