Science doesn't know everything

PostmodernProphet said:
isn't that precisely what your doing?......assuming that since you would rape, everybody else would?...


is justice murder?....



not that many listed in your post.....you got more?....or was that the limit of your cut and pasting skills?....which reminds me....when you copy stuff like that off an atheistRus website, I would appreciate it if you included a link....I want an opportunity to laugh at your sources as much as I laugh at you......
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You got the link dummy .. it's the scriptures quoted. Your link is the bible and you could have checked each passage for validity.

Now you have your opportunity to laugh at that bullshit as much as I did.

:0)

Damn you're easy.
 
blackascoal said:
You got the link dummy .. it's the scriptures quoted. Your link is the bible and you could have checked each passage for validity.

Now you have your opportunity to laugh at that bullshit as much as I did.

:0)

Damn you're easy.
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I want the link you pasted it from.....I know you didn't put that together....interesting....did a google and found at least three people claiming your work as theirs.....one in Chinese.....you should sue....
 
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in short on this topic. Science does not know everything, but in KNOWS more than religion.
And is expandable as we understand more thru science.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
bullshit....how is pointing out that there was no order of genocide "reductionism".....
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Please. In what way is "Kill them all except female children" not genocide? It is definitely reductionism to ignore the actual order and attempt to reduce it to less than it was.
 
blackascoal said:
I apologize for callin IT your god .. however, your argument is still flawed.

In ANY other context, anyone who sends their armies to slaughter everybody but virgin young girls, THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION AS TO THE INTENT OF SUCH AN ACT. NO QUESTION WHATSOEVER.

Thus, the failed argument is shrouded in mysterious god bullshit that is not believeable, especially given all the other horrors that came from this demon god .. like sending bears to eat children because they laughed at someone's bald head .. like children do.

Were soldiers and men any different during those times than they are now? You're not stupid so you KNOW that RAPE would surely occur. Did god punish the rapists? Did he tell his legions not to rape or have sex with their captives .. whose parents they murdered?

Does the bible give instructions of how to lay in wait and pounce on young madiens and TAKE them for onesself? Are they pouncing on thses innocent women so they could read them scriptures?

Believe whatever you choose to believe, but the arguments here are disingenuous and more than a bit stupid.
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You repeat this argument again and again, that somehow in your head every soldier wants to rape underage children.

No, I don't believe those soldiers are any different than the ones today, and because of that I do not believe that they had any urge to rape underage children.
 
Damocles said:
You repeat this argument again and again, that somehow in your head every soldier wants to rape underage children.

No, I don't believe those soldiers are any different than the ones today, and because of that I do not believe that they had any urge to rape underage children.
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You must, though, see some differences in relative moral standards between contemporary western society and that of the biblical middle east?

Even now the mass rape of women by 'soldiers' is not an unheard of, nor sadly uncommon, phenomenon.

Moreover, this whole concept of "underage" has been viewed slightly differently throughout history depending on culture, region and all that nonsense. What the Greeks got up to with young boys wouldn't exactly be looked on with sympathy if Dave from next door followed the example, despite this being seen in Ancient Greece as the very essence of moral love.

Generally, we haven't exactly been fussy about the rights of women, or girls, in recent years. In violent, brutish societies i'm suggesting this problem may have been exacerbated somewhat.
 
Damocles said:
Please. In what way is "Kill them all except female children" not genocide? It is definitely reductionism to ignore the actual order and attempt to reduce it to less than it was.
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look less than a hundred years later Gideon went to war against an army of 120,000 from the same tribe....if this was genocide, where did the 120,000 come from.....this was a battle, not a campaign of genocide......I am not "reducing" your accusation, I am all out denying it......
 
charver said:
You must, though, see some differences in relative moral standards between contemporary western society and that of the biblical middle east?

Even now the mass rape of women by 'soldiers' is not an unheard of, nor sadly uncommon, phenomenon.

Moreover, this whole concept of "underage" has been viewed slightly differently throughout history depending on culture, region and all that nonsense. What the Greeks got up to with young boys wouldn't exactly be looked on with sympathy if Dave from next door followed the example, despite this being seen in Ancient Greece as the very essence of moral love.

Generally, we haven't exactly been fussy about the rights of women, or girls, in recent years. In violent, brutish societies i'm suggesting this problem may have been exacerbated somewhat.
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Mass rape of women, yes. Mass rape of children? Not so much.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
look less than a hundred years later Gideon went to war against an army of 120,000 from the same tribe....if this was genocide, where did the 120,000 come from.....this was a battle, not a campaign of genocide......I am not "reducing" your accusation, I am all out denying it......
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What part of, "They didn't follow the order well." changes the actual intent of the order?

If I order a group of people to kill everybody in a village, but they only kill half of them, does that change what I ordered them to do?

In short, this does nothing to advance the supposed logic of an all-powerful being who happens to also know everything that for some inexplicable reason needs daily affirmation from its erector set.

And why would anything created from its erector set be singled out as the bestest ever portion of a huge creation, let alone the ape-like creatures on this one tiny planet that still think digital watches are pretty cool. But going further this Deity chooses one guy in a desert and makes all his descendants "chosen", orders them to kill other people and steal their children, then punishes them for not doing it well? Then they write verses that tell you that you can't question this so that's it then?

Jeebus.

I understand you believe in the God of the Bible, but there is no reason to attempt to say it is logical to do so. It's Faith, pure and simple. You simply believe that this is God, and therefore will follow each order, including the "Do not question me" and the "send me constant affirmation of my greatness" portions. This is fine, and I would support that endeavor, and argue your right to do so, even to put those beliefs out into the political spectrum, just like Atheist activists do. But telling me that it is logical that such a being would be just like the guy down the road feeling all jealous that one guy in Middle America doesn't believe in him? Not logic.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs....some boards have rules about copying other peoples work.....and a list is simply that....I wanted to know which atheist site he copied it from.....I found it, he copied it....
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Damo will enforce the rules. You work on your shit reasoning skills and the argument at hand.

The bible doesn't change based on who's quoting it, jackass.
 
charver said:
The definition of adulthood has also differed over time though, has it not?
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Yes, but these orders were specifically to only take the females that were underage, read it.

It says to take only the ones that are of an age that they wouldn't have had any sex (even by the standards of that time.)

These girls were young indeed. And these people were not going to suddenly get urges towards what by those standards would be too young... and by ours would be even more so.
 
Damocles said:
Yes, but these orders were specifically to only take the females that were underage, read it.

It says to take only the ones that are of an age that they wouldn't have had any sex (even by the standards of that time.)

These girls were young indeed. And these people were not going to suddenly get urges towards what by those standards would be too young... and by ours would be even more so.
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Fair enough.

To be honest i suppose i should have taken at least some notice of the passages under discussion. Nice weather today though, eh?
 
Damocles said:
What part of, "They didn't follow the order well." changes the actual intent of the order?

If I order a group of people to kill everybody in a village, but they only kill half of them, does that change what I ordered them to do?

In short, this does nothing to advance the supposed logic of an all-powerful being who happens to also know everything that for some inexplicable reason needs daily affirmation from its erector set.

And why would anything created from its erector set be singled out as the bestest ever portion of a huge creation, let alone the ape-like creatures on this one tiny planet that still think digital watches are pretty cool. But going further this Deity chooses one guy in a desert and makes all his descendants "chosen", orders them to kill other people and steal their children, then punishes them for not doing it well? Then they write verses that tell you that you can't question this so that's it then?

Jeebus.

I understand you believe in the God of the Bible, but there is no reason to attempt to say it is logical to do so. It's Faith, pure and simple. You simply believe that this is God, and therefore will follow each order, including the "Do not question me" and the "send me constant affirmation of my greatness" portions. This is fine, and I would support that endeavor, and argue your right to do so, even to put those beliefs out into the political spectrum, just like Atheist activists do. But telling me that it is logical that such a being would be just like the guy down the road feeling all jealous that one guy in Middle America doesn't believe in him? Not logic.
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and if the order applied to one city instead of an entire tribe of people is it genocide?......was the bombing of Hiroshima an act of genocide?....or an act intended to avoid genocide......

the people of Canaan that God ordered Israel to kill were the people that had a religion involving human sacrifice....the killing of the first born son......so, if we have this all powerful being who also happens to know everything, is it logical to try to second guess what he thinks is necessary?.....what if the only alternative to eliminating those he ordered killed was the growth of human sacrifice until it encompassed the entire world?......

look, if God didn't exist, he didn't order anyone to do anything....if you can't believe what the bible says, then there is no reason to believe that the Israelites killed the Midianites.....but if he did exist and he did issue the order, it is foolish to claim that we have superior knowledge and morals.....that is what I am saying is not logical....

I have made no attempt to claim that one comes to a belief in God through reason.....I don't know why you even bring it up....but don't tell me that any other explanation of why a deity would choose to have a creation that acknowledged him as the creator is illogical simply because you like a different explanation better....


by the way, the scriptures do explain God's motive in setting aside a portion of the erector set as the bestest ever, but there is no reason to go into it now, as you don't believe there are scriptures......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and if the order applied to one city instead of an entire tribe of people is it genocide?......was the bombing of Hiroshima an act of genocide?....or an act intended to avoid genocide......

the people of Canaan that God ordered Israel to kill were the people that had a religion involving human sacrifice....the killing of the first born son......so, if we have this all powerful being who also happens to know everything, is it logical to try to second guess what he thinks is necessary?.....what if the only alternative to eliminating those he ordered killed was the growth of human sacrifice until it encompassed the entire world?......

look, if God didn't exist, he didn't order anyone to do anything....if you can't believe what the bible says, then there is no reason to believe that the Israelites killed the Midianites.....but if he did exist and he did issue the order, it is foolish to claim that we have superior knowledge and morals.....that is what I am saying is not logical....

I have made no attempt to claim that one comes to a belief in God through reason.....I don't know why you even bring it up....but don't tell me that any other explanation of why a deity would choose to have a creation that acknowledged him as the creator is illogical simply because you like a different explanation better....


by the way, the scriptures do explain God's motive in setting aside a portion of the erector set as the bestest ever, but there is no reason to go into it now, as you don't believe there are scriptures......
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Your god is a racist then.
 
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