Scientific Evidence of God

Again, no one is attempting to prove God "exists".

You could argue all kinds of reasons for why humans worship, but you are speculating based on preconceived ideas. Why would man want or need to find answers and understand? What makes you so certain this attribute came before spiritual belief? Maybe it was the other way around, maybe spiritual belief fostered man's inquisitiveness and caused him to need to find answers?

You hit on another point as well, "religion has allowed those who were not the strongest or the fittest to lead." I can't count the number of times I have heard someone confess, they couldn't have done something without the help of God. If nothing more than a purely psychological aspect, it would appear God is indeed real to these people. In any event, human spirituality plays too important a role in humankind, to presume it is some trivial superstition without meaning or purpose.

I am speculating based on te fact that the higher primates are curious. Being an even higher primate, we would be even more curious. I can picture a group of neanderthals caught in a storm. The huge flash of lightning and the crash of thunder. The little one asking "WTF was that?" And being told it was the god of the sky, or whatever. I have studied a little anthropology. The earliest religions always involved the natural elements. That tells me that they were answering questions concerning their natural world in an effort to understand.

My comment about those who are not the fittest or strongest becoming religious leaders is shown in the tribes having shaman. The shaman bodies in graves we have uncovered are rarely large healthy ones. The chiefs and kings were often the larger ones.
 
Because you're fucking retarded.

You can't have evidence of God if God doesn't exist. The "exist" is implied because it's necessary for "Scientific Evidence."

You're not fooling anyone. You're clearly retarded.

Do you think there is the slightest possibility that you and others could refrain from using the words 'retard' and 'retarded'? It is extremely immature and very offensive to some people.
Do you know anyone who is retarded? Do you have a member of your family who is retarded?
Grow up whoever you are.
 
Gosh Onzies, I don't even see the same words there, much less the same meaning.

Does it really matter whether there is evidence of a deity or not? Large numbers of people choose to believe in a god, or gods, it obviously brings comfort and allows them to live their lives to the best of their ability.
The important thing is that beliefs, faiths, religions must not affect decisions of state or, indeed, any decision on any policy that has an affect on any member of the population who does not subscribe to a belief in the untenable.
A bit like being a homosexual or being white or being black. Live your life but understand that you have no right at all to force others to accept what you are or what you say.
Religion will, eventually, become a minority interest and be replaced with something else. Let it happen.
 
Does it really matter whether there is evidence of a deity or not? Large numbers of people choose to believe in a god, or gods, it obviously brings comfort and allows them to live their lives to the best of their ability.
The important thing is that beliefs, faiths, religions must not affect decisions of state or, indeed, any decision on any policy that has an affect on any member of the population who does not subscribe to a belief in the untenable.
A bit like being a homosexual or being white or being black. Live your life but understand that you have no right at all to force others to accept what you are or what you say.
Religion will, eventually, become a minority interest and be replaced with something else. Let it happen.

This makes a lot of sense. I will give you credit for not bashing, but presenting a logical argument.

Religion does bring comfort and provide strength to live well. My own spiritual beliefs have done so many times. I am not sure it will ever fade away, but you are correct in saying religion should not be part of the state or be the basis for the decisions of our leaders. (other than their faith providing them with the guidance to look after our interests)
 
if people don't want to believe in god...using science is not going to convince them....much easier to believe we came from apes
It's not the point. Dixie just loves to beat this topic to death. He's doing two things wrong here. First, he's not recognizing that science has nothing to say about God. For or against. There is no scientific evidence for God nor will their ever be scieintific evidence for God because science studies natural phenomena and causation and never studies supernatural causation. That's the age old ground rule of science wether Dixie chooses to accept it or not.

The second mistake Dixie is making here is creating a false paradigm. He's implying that those who do not believe in his, to use his terminology, conservative perversion of science, are athiest. That's just a completely laughable notion.
 
I think you are presuming too much here. First of all, I haven't given a scientific explanation for anything. I presented scientific evidence, information you can use to determine whatever you like. You also presume something is "supernatural" when you haven't proved that conclusion. Things are said to be "supernatural" when they are outside human understanding of the natural world. In any event, human behavior and animal behavior, are certainly not supernatural, and that was the basis of my argument.
Now you sound like PiMP. Dixie not only is your argument based on supernatural evidence, it's a circular argument.
 
What a load of illogical bullshit. Science is the study of natural phenomena. God, by definition, is supernatural, and there is no scientific evidence of the existence r nonexistence of the supernatural. If there was, It would not be supernatural. It isn't the atheists who can't admit they might be wrong, but the superstitious ignoramuses who try to pervert language, logic, and science to "prove" their invisible man in the sky exists. They simultaneously try to establish that a) faith is the equivalent of knowledge, and b) there is no such thing as knowledge. The incoherence of such a moronic position hasm clearly escaped them. They also talk of "subjective evidence," as if such a thing could even exist. Evidence can only be objective. Deal with it.

In the screed/rant/idiotic blather (pick one) quoted above, the author bases his/her/its specious reasoning on what logicians call the Fallacy of Division, which is the invalid conclusion that because a whole has a certain property, that all its parts must also possess that property. Specifically, the false conclusion is that since behavior writ large is genetically programmed to further the continued existence of the species exhibiting that behavior, that every behavior has survival value. Not only is this logically fallacious and invalid reasoning, it is also factually false, and exhibits a clear misunderstanding of the mechanics of natural selection. Nowhere did Darwin claim that all behaviors have survival value. Quite the contrary. He specifically touched on behaviors that are survival neutral, or even have negative survival value. The latter occur when changing environmental factors render whagt used to be a trait with a positive survival value into one that threatens the species' survival. Oh, and by the way, Einstein, populations of organisms don't "discard" traits that are disadvantageous. Those displaying the deleterious trait die and don't pass the trait on. Furthermore, the elimination of a deleterious trait doesn't occur overnight. It can take millennia for a disadvantageous trait to disappear. Take for example the kind of delusional mental incapacity required to insist not only on the existence of something for which there is not one shred of objective evidence, but also to insist upon pain of death that all others not only accept that delusion, but embrace it. If we don't believe in your invisible playmate, you claim it is because we are under the influence of your playmate's invisible enemy (which he is for some reason unable to destroy, despite allegedly being the supreme being in the universe, and the creator of both the universe and his enemy. WTF?), and apparently, this means that we must be put to death as servants of this invisible enemy we don't even believe exists, because since you are so sure he exists, and you are incapablre of being mistaken on this point, that for anyone to claim a disbelief in the enemy's existece is proof of their deception and service to the invisible enemy of your invisible playmate, so they must die. Unless of course they confess, in which case they die, but less horribly. Oh, goodie.

Trust me, the rest of us have been waiting centuries for you deluded, violent, ignorant, psychotic fucks to die off, but evolution seems to be taking its sweet time on eliminating your peculiar faulty gene. Bummer.
ROTFLMAO! MAJOR PWNGE!!!!

Zoom just ate Dixies lunch! LOL

Great post Zoom!
 
your a moron, I'd consider it an honor to be on your ignore list.
All you do is call liberals pinheads, act like religion is science and other things that would embarass Bama.:good4u:
Enjoy the honor. I made Dixie's pinhead list a long time ago. Lighten up on Dixie Topper, he may have a screw loose but he's certainly interesting. Dixie is unquestionably the best thread creater on this site.
 
No, the thread title is "Scientific Evidence of God" not the existence. I can't present evidence of existence for something that isn't known to exist in the physical world. The purpose of the thread is to present scientific evidence which suggests a power higher than self. I believe I have presented such evidence, and it is absolutely scientific. You want me to "prove God" or "prove God exists" and no one can do that, and if we could, there would be no need for faith. But the evidence that something is present, something does guide our humanity, something does inspire us and compel us in a spiritual sense, that evidence is there in black and white.

LMAO... so you have 'Scientific evidence OF God' but that has nothing to do with existence?

No, I did not ask you to provide evidence of Gods existence. You proclaimed you had scientific evidence 'OF God'.

You are now trying to spin your way out of it. You have provided no scientific evidence of a power higher than self. All you have done is shown that man can be spiritual. That is not evidence of anything other than man has created FAITH in things he does not understand.

While I do believe there is likely higher intelligence in the universe than what we have here on earth, there is no evidence to support that.
 
Do you think there is the slightest possibility that you and others could refrain from using the words 'retard' and 'retarded'? It is extremely immature and very offensive to some people.
Do you know anyone who is retarded? Do you have a member of your family who is retarded?
Grow up whoever you are.

Grow up yourself. I work with Special Olympians on a consistent basis. One of the things they hate are the self righteous idiots like you who make so big a deal out of a word and pretend it is offensive. Mental retardation means impaired cognitive abilities. They know that. What pisses them off is idiots that say 'you should say mentally challenged' or some other such nonsense. Does that make it any different to them? No, it does not.

So jump on off your high horse and realize it is just a word. It describes a condition. Get over yourself.
 
Does it really matter whether there is evidence of a deity or not? Large numbers of people choose to believe in a god, or gods, it obviously brings comfort and allows them to live their lives to the best of their ability.
The important thing is that beliefs, faiths, religions must not affect decisions of state or, indeed, any decision on any policy that has an affect on any member of the population who does not subscribe to a belief in the untenable.
A bit like being a homosexual or being white or being black. Live your life but understand that you have no right at all to force others to accept what you are or what you say.
Religion will, eventually, become a minority interest and be replaced with something else. Let it happen.

I am not sure about the last sentence, but otherwise I agree with the above.
 
Grow up yourself. I work with Special Olympians on a consistent basis. One of the things they hate are the self righteous idiots like you who make so big a deal out of a word and pretend it is offensive. Mental retardation means impaired cognitive abilities. They know that. What pisses them off is idiots that say 'you should say mentally challenged' or some other such nonsense. Does that make it any different to them? No, it does not.

So jump on off your high horse and realize it is just a word. It describes a condition. Get over yourself.

Not for the first time have you totally misunderstood a point. My comment has/had absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, an American obsession, it had to do with offensiveness.
You live in a society in which words like freak, retard, motherf***er are common daily parlance. That is offensive to many and childish in the extreme. It shows a huge chasm in your understanding of the language and the way it should be used.
So I'll get off my high horse when I see your childlike head emerge hot and steaming into the cold winter air, from your fat yank arse.
There - is that politically correct enough for you?
 
Not for the first time have you totally misunderstood a point. My comment has/had absolutely nothing to do with political correctness, an American obsession, it had to do with offensiveness.
You live in a society in which words like freak, retard, motherf***er are common daily parlance. That is offensive to many and childish in the extreme. It shows a huge chasm in your understanding of the language and the way it should be used.
So I'll get off my high horse when I see your childlike head emerge hot and steaming into the cold winter air, from your fat yank arse.
There - is that politically correct enough for you?

LMAO... what is childish is coming onto a board dominated by Americans and whining/crying etc... because they talk like Americans. I have a full understanding of our language. Calling someone retarded is no different than stating 'you are mentally deranged' or 'your comments are foolish' etc...

So quit your incessant whining.... we get it... you hate the American culture. Your ever present bashing of Americans in an attempt to feel superior is duly noted.

Just get over the fact that your beloved British empire crumbled and move on with your life.
 
LMAO... what is childish is coming onto a board dominated by Americans and whining/crying etc... because they talk like Americans. I have a full understanding of our language. Calling someone retarded is no different than stating 'you are mentally deranged' or 'your comments are foolish' etc...

So quit your incessant whining.... we get it... you hate the American culture. Your ever present bashing of Americans in an attempt to feel superior is duly noted.

Just get over the fact that your beloved British empire crumbled and move on with your life.

How can one hate that which has never existed? I hate the way that obscenities and offensive language are used by americans AND the British and labelled 'free speech' or 'that is the way we are, take it or leave it.'
My comments about the American use of language and the propensity of Americans to disregard the feelings and cultures of others (mostly their betters) is sometimes tongue in cheek and sometimes simply a mirror held up to small minded people like you (or the way you seem to want to portray yourself) that you may understand that you are not universally loved and admired.

Insert here: I/we don't give a shit what you foreigners think of us.
 
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