Scientific Evidence of God

Damocles said:
We have evidence that it evolved into a multi-cellular life form through the fossil record. From that we have further evidence that those multi-cellular life forms evolved into others through tiny steps and over billions of years.
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actually no.....you have evidence that various life forms existed at different times.....that is not evidence of the transition from one of those life forms to another.......that is merely speculation.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
actually no.....you have evidence that various life forms existed at different times.....that is not evidence of the transition from one of those life forms to another.......that is merely speculation.....
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That's like having a friend visit you, and seeing their car in your driveway, but because you didn't see them actually pull up in the car, having it be "mere speculation" that he/she drove to your house to get there.

And there IS evidence of transitional lifeforms and various adaptations along the way....
 
Onceler said:
That's like having a friend visit you, and seeing their car in your driveway, but because you didn't see them actually pull up in the car, having it be "mere speculation" that he/she drove to your house to get there.

And there IS evidence of transitional lifeforms and various adaptations along the way....
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no, it's like seeing a red car parked in the parking lot at the local grocers, the next day seeing a red car with a dent in the fender parked in the parking lot at a bank, and the next day seeing a red car without a dent parked in front of your neighbor's house and concluding from that evidence that your neighbor bought a new car, had an accident with it and got it fixed, all in three days.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no, it's like seeing a red car parked in the parking lot at the local grocers, the next day seeing a red car with a dent in the fender parked in the parking lot at a bank, and the next day seeing a red car without a dent parked in front of your neighbor's house and concluding from that evidence that your neighbor bought a new car, had an accident with it and got it fixed, all in three days.....
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LOL

I guess you haven't really looked at the fossil evidence.

The theory of evolution is more than whimsical speculation. We're talking about billions of years of very gradual transition that unfolds in a very clear way when viewed in totality.

And it has more to it than the theory that a crafty ol' God just kept putting that stuff there to "test our faith"...
 
Dixie said:
It is impossible to test something that happened thousands of years ago. Sorry, but unless you invented a time machine and went back to the beginning, you can't formulate any kind of a test to conclude why man began worshiping. You can have opinions, you can find evidence to support your opinions, just as I did... but you can't prove (and neither can I) why mankind began worshiping.

Now Damo, you can talk down to me and call me names, and try to infer that I am ignorant and uneducated, all you like... I can't do a damn thing to stop you. But you have not made a case here, and you have not proven me wrong. In fact, when you resort to such low class tactics of debate, it makes me wonder if you've not been hanging around these pinheads too long and they are rubbing off on you! Once was a time, you stuck to the subject and avoided the ad homs and insults, I guess you've changed.
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The problem is, Dixie, is that you and everybody else here can see the case has been made and a suggestion to solve your knowledge issue offered.

The only question left to resolve is if you will continue to keep yourself in the dark, or will you get over the fact that Damocles pointed out your lack of knowledge in this subject, read up on the subject regardless of your "hurtie" feelings, come back and discuss it armed with knowledge.

So far you've told us that you seek to remain in ignorance because you feel all hurtie inside even though your natural inclination is to use the intelligence given by the Creator to educate yourself. I'm sorry I made you feel all hurtie by pointing out you actually don't have any idea what you are talking about.
 
Onceler said:
We're talking about billions of years of very gradual transition that unfolds in a very clear way when viewed in totality.
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that is your faith choice....it is NOT supported by science....what science has are a series of "snapshots" in the form of fossil evidence.....you want to turn the snapshots into a movie....it can be done, but it remains speculation.....
 
Damocles said:
The problem is, Dixie, is that you and everybody else here can see the case has been made and a suggestion to solve your knowledge issue offered.

The only question left to resolve is if you will continue to keep yourself in the dark, or will you get over the fact that Damocles pointed out your lack of knowledge in this subject, read up on the subject regardless of your "hurtie" feelings, come back and discuss it armed with knowledge.

So far you've told us that you seek to remain in ignorance because you feel all hurtie inside even though your natural inclination is to use the intelligence given by the Creator to educate yourself. I'm sorry I made you feel all hurtie by pointing out you actually don't have any idea what you are talking about.
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Here's the deal. You are pissed off at me because I said bad things about you regarding your stupid inane APP board and your worthless butt buddy Grind. Rather than being a man and confronting me with your complaint, you have decided to engage in a campaign of personal insults toward me, questioning my intellect, implying I am stupid, making a point to weigh in on every thread with your petty little commentary on my education level.

This has been going on the past several days, and is apparent in several threads I've posted. It's because I challenged you, because I revealed your lie to the rest of the board, because I made a fool out of you and Grind. Your feelings are hurt, and you are lashing out the best way you can think of. It is really coming across to me as a sign of weakness and shallow character. What little respect I once had for you, is slowly evaporating away. You are becoming just like Grind, a petty insignificant misfit, who can't peddle his failed ideology anymore, and has to resort to insults and rudeness to try and make a point.

You want to question my intelligence? GO TO HELL!
 
It's interesting that Dixie keeps bumping this one.

If I'm Dixie - and thank the God for which there is overwhelming scientific evidence that I am not - I let it disappear and hope no one else notices...
 
Onceler said:
It's interesting that Dixie keeps bumping this one.

If I'm Dixie - and thank the God for which there is overwhelming scientific evidence that I am not - I let it disappear and hope no one else notices...
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No chance of that skippy, and yes, thank the god you don't believe in, that you are not me! I don't think you could handle the pressure.

So far, Damo is the only poster who has even attempted to argue my points. He presented a book, which he claims "tests" the theory of why man worships, and "concluded" from a "study" that it happened a certain way and I am wrong.

The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!

No one has proven that human spirituality did not PRECEDE man's ability to reason and think, but all of these so-called studies and tests, presume instead, that mankind must have invented spirituality. They can reason out how it might have happened, but this is only a theory, not a fact. We do not know that spirituality didn't happen first, and thus enabled man to reason and think, etc. If you are going to claim this possibility doesn't exist, you have to provide some incontrovertible evidence to support that assertion. Otherwise, the possibility does indeed exist, and is tenable. This is just basic common sense and logic, so it may be a bit difficult for you to grasp.
 
Dixie said:
No chance of that skippy, and yes, thank the god you don't believe in, that you are not me! I don't think you could handle the pressure.

So far, Damo is the only poster who has even attempted to argue my points. He presented a book, which he claims "tests" the theory of why man worships, and "concluded" from a "study" that it happened a certain way and I am wrong.

The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!

No one has proven that human spirituality did not PRECEDE man's ability to reason and think, but all of these so-called studies and tests, presume instead, that mankind must have invented spirituality. They can reason out how it might have happened, but this is only a theory, not a fact. We do not know that spirituality didn't happen first, and thus enabled man to reason and think, etc. If you are going to claim this possibility doesn't exist, you have to provide some incontrovertible evidence to support that assertion. Otherwise, the possibility does indeed exist, and is tenable. This is just basic common sense and logic, so it may be a bit difficult for you to grasp.
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Nah - I tried to address it, as did others. But you dismissed the notion of the adaptation to man's differentiating advanced cerebral cortex, using a version of the theory of evolution that I, and I would wager most who believe in evolution, have never heard of....
 
Onceler said:
Nah - I tried to address it, as did others. But you dismissed the notion of the adaptation to man's differentiating advanced cerebral cortex, using a version of the theory of evolution that I, and I would wager most who believe in evolution, have never heard of....
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come on now... you KNOW that man just naturally was spiritual, I mean to think that he would believe in God prior to having the ability to think and reason is just silly. Silly I tell ya.

Dixie makes claims that Man has been spiritual since the beginning of man's existence. THAT is evidence man... EVI...DUNCE.
 
Superfreak said:
come on now... you KNOW that man just naturally was spiritual, I mean to think that he would believe in God prior to having the ability to think and reason is just silly. Silly I tell ya.

Dixie makes claims that Man has been spiritual since the beginning of man's existence. THAT is evidence man... EVI...DUNCE.
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Well, this whole thread has been kind of stunning. I mean, I know it's Dixie, but he brings up evolution a lot, so I thought he got the basic gist of it. I always assume that everyone knows the basic gist, and I probably shouldn't. I don't even consider myself that much of an expert on it, but I definitely know the basics much better than Dix...
 
Dixie said:
You want to question my intelligence? GO TO HELL!
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I specifically did not question your intelligence.

You just keep pretending you are a "victim" here, it's working so well for you...

And I don't give one whit if you said bad things about me. I really don't worry about what you think of me.
 
Dixie said:
No chance of that skippy, and yes, thank the god you don't believe in, that you are not me! I don't think you could handle the pressure.

So far, Damo is the only poster who has even attempted to argue my points. He presented a book, which he claims "tests" the theory of why man worships, and "concluded" from a "study" that it happened a certain way and I am wrong.

The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!

No one has proven that human spirituality did not PRECEDE man's ability to reason and think, but all of these so-called studies and tests, presume instead, that mankind must have invented spirituality. They can reason out how it might have happened, but this is only a theory, not a fact. We do not know that spirituality didn't happen first, and thus enabled man to reason and think, etc. If you are going to claim this possibility doesn't exist, you have to provide some incontrovertible evidence to support that assertion. Otherwise, the possibility does indeed exist, and is tenable. This is just basic common sense and logic, so it may be a bit difficult for you to grasp.
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The book doesn't test anything, it cites tests that were done on the subject. You are now into a reading comprehension issue.
 
Damocles said:
The book doesn't test anything, it cites tests that were done on the subject. You are now into a reading comprehension issue.
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Repeat:The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!
 
Dixie said:
Repeat:The problem with this is, there is no test you can perform now, on something that happened 100k years ago or more. Especially a test regarding spirituality, because science has no way to test or measure it. What Damo presents, is a theory, largely based on speculation. Assumption heaped on top of presumption, and passed off as "fact" when it is anything BUT!
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ROFLMAO.....

Seriously, cannot stop laughing at the irony of the post above....

Dixie's claims that mankind has been spiritual since the beginning. He offers this as 'evidence' of God. Yet Damo's book with studies on the topic is just a theory because there is 'no way to test or measure' what happened '100k years ago'.

I do give Dixie props for realizing the earth isn't 8k years old. Because judging from his lack of intellectual capacity, that is what I expected from Mr. 1/3.
 
Superfreak said:
come on now... you KNOW that man just naturally was spiritual, I mean to think that he would believe in God prior to having the ability to think and reason is just silly. Silly I tell ya.

Dixie makes claims that Man has been spiritual since the beginning of man's existence. THAT is evidence man... EVI...DUNCE.
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No, I haven't claimed that, it's what the evidence we have shows. The discovery of the oldest human civilization we've found, shows signs of human spirituality. We can't conclude what happened before this civilization, we have no evidence.

Damo, amazingly enough, was correct about one thing, humans are hard-wired to have faith in a power greater than self. Now, if we apply science to ANY species of life, and we observe in the fossil record, a trait that is inherently still existing in most of the species today, we would conclude the absence of the trait in a modern species had simply "evolved out" of the creature. Human spirituality is a trait apparent in 95% of humans, and the 'fossil record' indicates this trait was present in the oldest specimen. To presume the trait "evolved in" is contradictory to science and Darwinism. It is more reasonable to believe man began with the attribute of spirituality, because that is what the evidence shows, and "non-spirituality" is the result of evolution.
 
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