Tinkerpeach
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Whenever science makes a new discovery religions can interpret their texts better because God made this world according to our physics
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Whenever science makes a new discovery religions can interpret their texts better because God made this world according to our physics
BidenPresident
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Like what?
BidenPresident
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Physics disproves the Bible. No one can walk on water. No one can die and come back to life.
Dutch Uncle
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Do you have any examples, Tink?
Dutch Uncle
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Using tech is knowledge, even scientifically-based knowledge*, but agreed it doesn't automatically equate to wisdom or insights to light. There are different levels of learning. Look at religion; there rote where people can cherry-pick out scripture out of the Bible and then there's those who go a deeper level by understanding the Bible as a whole, as a combined message. Above that is the deeper spiritual understanding that man is flawed and the Bible is a flawed result of man, but that it indicates the greater mystery of existence.
Agreed being civilized doesn't require higher math or a deep understanding of physics. It does point out the difference between people who are civilized because that's the way they are trained and those who understand why civilized behaviors are best for themselves and those they care about.
*I used to flight instruct for the Navy. It was easier to train people who grew up with tech, even if only televisions and calculators, than someone who grew up with mudhuts and livestock.
Tinkerpeach
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Evolution
Tinkerpeach
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If science doesn’t contradict the Bible then what proof would their be?
Lightbringer
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You're right, being trained to use technology is a type of knowledge. Being knowledgeable about flying a helicopter or using welding equipment is substantially different than knowing how to use a smart TV or mobile phone. Being a welder or a pilot takes a type of commitment to learning and knowledge that is on a high level of human development.
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Magic doesn't exist. It's unlikely that Moses waived a wand and the Red Sea parted. OTOH, I recall scientists looking at it and pointing out that high winds on one end of the Red Sea could push the water back enough to reveal a sand bar which could be traversed. I forget the details.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. We're a technological society, but mostly users of that technology, not designers or builders.
Tinkerpeach
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Of course not so we need to interpret it
The Bible is not always literal and much of these stories are lost in translation
I believe discovery channel did a documentary on this story and they put forth the hypothesis that it wasn’t the sea but a large marsh/bog that existed during that time
Their theory was that God led His people through the only clear path while the enemy ended up getting stuck leaving them unable to continue the pursuit
Tinkerpeach
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I believe we are the leaders in designing new technologies
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed the Bible shouldn't be taken literally. There are different interpretations in some of the translations. I like using BibleHub.com because it lists multiple translations of the same scripture. Biblegateway.com offers multiple versions but requires selecting one version.
This is Biblegateway's New International Version of John 8:32 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john 8:32&version=NIV
This is the Bible Hub's page of the same scripture: https://biblehub.com/john/8-32.htm
John 8:32 is pretty straight forward, but some verses are less so. Consider some of the subtle differences on Leviticus 9:11 https://biblehub.com/leviticus/19-11.
Tinkerpeach
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And ultimately the more science discovers the more we can narrow down these translations
For instance we know that evolution happened so how can we use that knowledge to interpret the story of Adam and Eve
Well it says Adam was made from the ground which is how life actually formed according to evolution
Ground/sea are the same thing
Then it says Eve was made from Adams rib which could be the process of cells dividing and creating another life form
God has only given us the very briefest descriptions of these events as He doesn’t consider them the main point of His message
For instance we know that evolution happened so how can we use that knowledge to interpret the story of Adam and Eve
Well it says Adam was made from the ground which is how life actually formed according to evolution
Ground/sea are the same thing
Then it says Eve was made from Adams rib which could be the process of cells dividing and creating another life form
God has only given us the very briefest descriptions of these events as He doesn’t consider them the main point of His message
Dutch Uncle
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It varies with the type of technology. You hate the military, but they're the ones paying for most of our top tech.
Other nations are catching up because Republicans have become anti-science and seek to return to 1950s levels of tech which allows the rest of the world to pass us by.
Tinkerpeach
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I don’t hate our military
Dutch Uncle
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Disagreed, Tink. Your posts regularly slam anyone who supports our government, on all levels, and that includes the United States military.
Tinkerpeach
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You can disagree all you want but I just told you I don’t hate our military so believe what you will
The only thing I’ve said about the military is I don’t believe in hero worship in regards to them
Some of them are pieces of shit and their are many of them in prison as we speak